What's in a Defiler?

[CylonDorado]

I know this thread probably won't last very long, but I was just wondering if anybody knew what was in a Chaos Defiler. Is it like a dreadnaught, or is there a normal guy inside running it, or what?

[hivemindofpower]

I defiler was created by abodon and is run by a possess spirt.
I should know my brother plays chaos which i have never lost to.
If i an wrong please correct me CylonDorado.

[WestRider]

Yep, it's "crewed" by a Daemon bound into it at its creation. That's why it gets the Daemonic Possession upgrade automatically.

[invictus]

A defiler is "piloted" by a bound daemon. So yeah what hivemindofpower says though I'm not too up on the fluff of chaos so not sure if they were created by Abaddon. I always thought it was the work of the chaos sorcerers *shrug*

[Rampage]

In a Defiler...?

I honestly don't know. I always figures that my Raveners ate whatever was inside after they rip them apart. Never anything left when I hit them

[Psychichobo]

Yup, defilers are crewed by a possessed daemon-spirit thingy. Their design was commissioned by Abbadon the Despoiler too. I reckon he got the idea after seeing a Soulgrinder (one of the upcoming units in Codex Daemons) meself... makes sense fluff-wise.

[CylonDorado]

So its kind of like a wraithlord, exept with a daemon? That makes sense. I was just looking at the GW site page about allies in Apocolypse, and it said you can do whatever you want, exept you have to explain it, and as an example it said it would be hard to explain why chaos would be running with wraithlords. First thing I thaught was, they found some empty ones and they threw some daemons in there .

[hivemindofpower]

You got it Cylondorado. It is just a demon inside.

by the way nice picture!

[The Custodian]

Yup A deamon... But this is a defiler when the deamon is 'unbound'...

z13.invisionfree.com/SpearTip_Alliance/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=8784614

[Psychichobo]

That's a Soulgrinder... are they what actually inhabit Defilers?

Btw, on another Note: an advance order for Chaos Daemons has appeared on the GW shop, under it's own brand new section. Also, it's appeared in Fantasy Battle too - apparently it's a fantasy army too. Weird, they already have daemons.... even shares the daemon characters too.

[theevillemon]

um but they like 40k don't have an army just for demons they share the same book with the mortals anyway the demons have allways been same for 40k and fantasy. whats werid about it? 4ok has allready got demons and i don't see you saying thats werid.( im not being mean k)

[WestRider]

Have you looked at the Daemon rules in the current Chaos Codex? There's no difference between a Bloodthirster and a Keeper of Secrets, they're both identical, generic "Greater Daemons". Similarly, a Fury, a Nurgling base, and a Flamer of Tzeentch all share the same "Lesser Daemon" statline. The new Dex is for those of us who want there to actually be a difference between our Daemonettes and our Flesh Hounds.

Also, there are currently two different Fantasy Daemon armies, one of which is widely considered underpowered, and the other of which is generally thought to be somewhat over the top. So this is probably trying to strike some sort of balance between the two.

[theevillemon]

they should make 40k beastmen taht would rock

[CylonDorado]

That would rock.

But I was thinking it would be interesting if the new Daemon codex was kind of like the Inquisiton codexs in that maybe you could use stuff from it in a chaos SM army or vice versa. Do you think (or know if) that is the case?

[Psychichobo]

Hmm, I keep hearing repeated statements that you can't ally them with CSM, which really bugs me - come on, the Imperium can ally with their mates!