Converting a Land Raider from a storm raven

[andy089]

Okay so.
I bought a storm raven. I bought a Valkyrie. I did some raw fitting and stuff and then came along a photoshopped pic of a storm raven with two turbines on each side rather than one. So that's what I am going for.
This means I am buying a second storm raven and will have it's "body" lying around. Since I have some tracks and remains of one of the two land raiders I used for my truescale landraider (which isn't finished), I will use those tracks (i might need to buy another land raider though. or at least bits of it) and put it onto the storm Raven.

I will post concept pics tomorrow. (I just wanted the hive know what I am up to) - This will probably go into my GK army, together with the Storm Raven I was talking about before.

I am thinking about doing a chaos army at the moment btw.
-)2 Daemon Princes (close combat)
-)2-3 Defilers (far ranged weapons)
-)2-3 Dreadnoughts (far ranged weapons)
-)Summoned greater Daemon (close combat)
-)maybe some summoned lesser daemons as well, depending on the points
-)Maybe some Raptors, I still have to see if it fits into the playstyle and if I can convert them the way I am thinking about (Just having one single air intake at the back and a single turbine like those blood angel guys and I will use gargoyle wings rather than the angel ones of the BA).
-)Some troops (the more, the merrier) in Rhinos with Champions for the Daemon(s). Probably with medium ranged weapons to cover everything.

As I was saying I still have to figure out the points

I know this is not much really, but after the concept sketch is here you'll be able to properly C&C.

[kingfisher773]

first of all the Vehicle sounds awesome, second thing you wouldn't be able to use all the models you have listed (2 DPs and greater is 3 HQs)

[andy089]

Greater does not take a FOC I believe...

I did some dry-fitting with my unbuilt storm Raven and DAMN. I can tell you now: It will look amazing...

[WestRider]

Yeah, Summoned Daemons are outside the FOC. It counts as an HQ for most purposes, but doesn't actually take up a slot.

[kingfisher773]

shh! I don't run summons

[Psychichobo]

You should! They're ace. SO CHEAP. Well, the greater one is at any rate. One hell of an economy MC.

[andy089]

Well depends on how you see it.
you DO have to sacrifice at least a champion for him. that makes him a bit more expensive. then also, he deep strikes which is a quite random entry, especially for something that can't shoot. However, I think if you (or in my case I) do it right, he can cause some serious damage since he can attack when he comes in.

Lesser daemons must be cool if your normal troops are holding an objective and CC guys are closing in ^^

[WestRider]

Greater Daemon doesn't DS, he just replaces the Champion.

And the fact that he has to eat a Champion as he comes in is what really makes him kind of lame to my mind. Even if you're picking up a bare bones Champion for him to Possess, he ends up effectively costing at least 130 Points, and you've left a Squad reasonably close to the enemy and stuck at Ld9. If that Squad gets whacked before the GD comes in, you've got to sacrifice a more expensive Champion. You're also seriously missing out on utility for that Squad until the GD shows up.

Now, if you decide to upgrade all your Champions anyhow, his effective cost is enough that he's starting to look pretty lame compared to a DP, and you're now leaving one of your Squads short of even more, since they may have been relying on that PowerFist or Combi-Melta.

If he could get Wings, so you could bring him in a little further back, he would more likely be worthwhile. If he could get Marks as well, he'd probably be great, dependent, of course, on his final cost.

[andy089]

Yeah he just replaces him, but I still roll off for him as if he was deep striking, and thats 50% in turn 2 and 67% in turn 3. So rather random. And this really is the whole problem.
I would gladly sacrifice my power fist or champion if I could make sure that my daemon will come in when my champion is 5" away from that Trygon/Special Character/Land Raider/etc, but I can't choose.
But then again - if I just push forward with all my troops containing champions in razorbacks, one of them should be close enough to whatever model I want to attack with the daemon when he comes in and THAT's why I am taking him. But now I will have to build large parts of my army "around him". we'll see how that goes.

[WestRider]

That's rolling for him to come in from Reserves, not Deep Striking. Deep Strike is where you place him and then he Scatters, it's a very specific form of coming in from Reserves.

And you mean Rhinos there, not Razorbacks, right? There's no Army in 40K that has access to both Greater Daemons and Razorbacks.

[WIHRS lattergall C´tan]

is the 2-3 defilers not to much.. its going to cost you, and why have sp much fire power