Max Unit Capacity.

[gauntinator]

Hey Hive,

A game that I played the other day just got me thinking about the max number of a type of unit you can take in an army. I was playing this guy, we were just about, when he noticed I had one extra elite choice in my army. (I wasn't thinking I guess ). So he flips out and refuses to continue until I correct the problem. So I'm wondering how often, if at all, you guys ignore the max number of units you can have just for a friendly game. Is it really that a big deal to most of you?

[WestRider]

I wish it weren't. My ideal 2K Nid Army needs 8 Troops Choices. But yeah, most people like to actually follow the Rules, or at least the more clear cut and inarguable ones.

That said, there was a guy at the last Tournament I attended who had 4 Heavy Support Choices, and no one noticed until I wrote up my Tournament Report a couple of days later.

[killercroc]

I always make sure I do not go over the F.O.C. in what units I take. I usually just get messed up with my Troops choices, I almost never take Fast Attack units and only 1 or 2 Heavy Supports so it is a problem for me, but I just work with it. But they should have an option where you can drop a Fast or Heavy for another Troop, cause all of my armies (Tyranids, Orks, Chaos Marines) like to take up a lot of Trooprs.

[Major Chrispy]

Yeah, there is onething fantasy beats 40k, FOC..

[gauntinator]

so it seems like you guys prefer to play strictly by the FOC.

[yoritomo]

I think most of us prefer to play by the rules. Since the FOC is part of the rules we play with it. If we didn't we would be cheating.

Was your opponent right to freak out about it? It depends. I've let FOC slips go in friendly games if I thought it was an honest mistake. Now if I thought in any way it was intentional I would call you a cheater and stop playing you, the end.

One of the things the FOC does is make it harder to build an army. Anyone can make an army by spamming the best elite/fast attack/heavy support units. It is a challenge to build an army with average joes, and the challenge is what makes the game fun to play

[vodimier]

Well, as long as your opponent agrees, you can use multiple force organization charts, but you have to provide the basic requirements to that detachment. Also, unless you're playing a large points game, you'll be hard pressed to find an opponent who will be willing

[kjd]

Would you have a problem if your opponent took extra squad upgrades? Say three missile launchers in a standard tac squad? How about bringing an extra 500 pts against you?

If you would view these thing as cheating it's the same principle as going outside the FOC to load up on goodies. The rules are the rules just make your army work within the confines of them unless you set up exceptions with your opponent beforehand

[irishbarse]

as i do not play tourny games it doesn't bother me, but if i do it i let my opponent do it as well. Like against wolves, an extra Elites for 2 fast attack for him and same for me.

[gauntinator]

Jul 4, 2011 4:34:25 GMT yoritomo said:

I think most of us prefer to play by the rules. Since the FOC is part of the rules we play with it. If we didn't we would be cheating.

Was your opponent right to freak out about it? It depends. I've let FOC slips go in friendly games if I thought it was an honest mistake. Now if I thought in any way it was intentional I would call you a cheater and stop playing you, the end.

One of the things the FOC does is make it harder to build an army. Anyone can make an army by spamming the best elite/fast attack/heavy support units. It is a challenge to build an army with average joes, and the challenge is what makes the game fun to play

It was an honest mistake on my part. I didn't mean to take an extra battlesuit as an elite choice. And I can see how the FOC is important for ballanced games. Facing nothing but an army of XV8s would not be fun.

[Major Chrispy]

Jul 4, 2011 21:58:27 GMT gauntinator said:

Jul 4, 2011 4:34:25 GMT yoritomo said:

I think most of us prefer to play by the rules. Since the FOC is part of the rules we play with it. If we didn't we would be cheating.

Was your opponent right to freak out about it? It depends. I've let FOC slips go in friendly games if I thought it was an honest mistake. Now if I thought in any way it was intentional I would call you a cheater and stop playing you, the end.

One of the things the FOC does is make it harder to build an army. Anyone can make an army by spamming the best elite/fast attack/heavy support units. It is a challenge to build an army with average joes, and the challenge is what makes the game fun to play

It was an honest mistake on my part. I didn't mean to take an extra battlesuit as an elite choice. And I can see how the FOC is important for ballanced games. Facing nothing but an army of XV8s would not be fun.

Idk, sounds like happy fun dark lance time

[killercroc]

I say talk to your opponent first, it could actually result in a pretty fun and more so interesting game than the Norm.

Example:
Player one gets 2HQ, 6Troops, 1Elites, 4Fast Attack
Player two gets 1HQ, 4Troops, 1Elites, 4Heavy Support

Just an example but as you can see it could be fun... or broken as hell.

[daboss]

It depends. I have 3k of Orks and 4 heavy supports (2 battlewagons, dread, and kans). Playing at home or at our little w40k group, I will ignore force organisation most of the time. But outside of that, stick to force organisation

[seahawk]

- You both agreed to follow the FOC, as that's the normal way to play.
- You both agreed to a certain points value, as that's the normal way to play.

Take more than the limit of either and that's cheating or simply not following the rules, which is how most people don't play. Lose the rules and all you have is chaos. We prefer to play by the rules, as that's the point of their existence . Otherwise we're playing Warhammer Funny-K.

[WestRider]

Jul 5, 2011 13:17:35 GMT daboss said:

It depends. I have 3k of Orks and 4 heavy supports (2 battlewagons, dread, and kans). Playing at home or at our little w40k group, I will ignore force organisation most of the time. But outside of that, stick to force organisation

Just take a Mek and you can pull the Dredd into Troops.

One of the things I really liked about the previous Chaos Dex was the ability to mess with the FOC: Word Bearers could trade various slots for extra Troops, Night Lords gave up Heavy Support for extra Fast Attack, and Iron Warriors did just the reverse.