1k point salamander list

[kingfisher773]

Hey guy's this is my first salamander list (that I can recall) & it'd be good if I got some help on it.

HQ
Captain, storm bolter, artificer armour, thunder hammer 148pts

Troops
10 SM, meltagun, multi-melta,Chainsword, Rhino 210pts
10 SM, plasma gun, lascannon, chainsword, rhino 225pts
5 scouts, 5 snipers, 5 camo cloaks 90pts

Fast Attack
5 assault marines 100pts

Heavy Support
Vindicator, siege shield 10pts 125pts

Total: 998points
Thanks for reviewing, comments would be good have a nice day ;D

[Devil's Advocate]

Well, at the moment, it's really just a space marinelist.

Not much in the way of meltas, flamers and thunder hammers, in fact only 1 TH and 1 Multimelta.

Additionally, you don't get the salamander bonus unless Vulcan is part of the force. Maybe you're waiting to add that in at higher levels, I dunno.

Ultimately, the most successful salamander lists I've seen sacrifice things like reach and range for mobility and mass damage. A Space marine tac squad with a flamer may not sound like much, but when you consider 1/3 of all bolter shots fired wound a space marine, but 3/4 of all models touched by a (Salamander) flamer template are wounded as well, you can easily pile on lots of wounds for an enemy to have to take:

assuming a standard Salamander loadout of 10 marines with multi-melta, bolters and a flamer shooting at 10 marines, you're probably going to get 11 wounds on them plus a 56% chance of a melta wound. have another tac marine squad with the same loadout hit the same unit, and you're talking 22 armor saves... 12 of them from the two flamers.

Now you just need mobility. find some space for rhinos.

[kingfisher773]

yes that is true, I'm saving up for this army and I got the fell of not really salamanders. But I just wouldn't have enough money for it :/

[kingfisher773]

feel* sorry

[Devil's Advocate]

Apr 22, 2011 22:39:28 GMT kingfisher773 said:

yes that is true, I'm saving up for this army and I got the fell of not really salamanders. But I just wouldn't have enough money for it :/

I call BS.

- Drop the plasma gun and take the flamer or meltagun option. - This adds no $ cost - the bits are in the box.
- Drop the snipers and add more to the group of assault marines and give the unit flamers. - This may add $30 to your cost, but that depends on how you're purchasing the units in the first place. additionally, you could cannibalize the flamers from the tac squads if you don't use them there (and if the assault marines don't come with flamers - which I think they do)
- Drop the vindicator and add thunderhammers to all the sergeants. - I think the best way to do this is to buy a box of assault terminators for about the same cost as the vindicator OR order the thunderhammer bits from somewhere.

This way you're taking the units and upgrades that Salamanders prefer. When you finally add vulkan, you get those benefits. Additionally, AT MOST it's going to cost about $40 more for the changes in boxes, depending on how you're buying them, and AT BEST you'll save money because the scouts = the assault marines and the thunderhammers can be bought from Battlewagon bits for only $7 each

[kingfisher773]

Hmm

[Tyamius, Shadow Lord]

Assault Marines can't take flamers. They all can switch their TL-Lightning Claws for Thunder Hammer and Storm Shields.

[Devil's Advocate]

Apr 29, 2011 12:07:13 GMT Tyamius, Shadow Lord said:

Assault Marines can't take flamers. They all can switch their TL-Lightning Claws for Thunder Hammer and Storm Shields.

You're thinking of Assault Terminators (elite), not Assault Marines (fast attack)

Assault Marines may select 1 flamer or plasma pistol every 5th member of the squad. Nobody takes them because everyone seems to think flamers suck.

[Tyamius, Shadow Lord]

My bad just looked in the codex and realized the mistake.

[kingfisher773]

That is true the fact that people over look the flamer so much. I might not go along with this army because as mentioned before it doesn't fit a true salamander army (thinking maybe a tzeentch army).

[Tyamius, Shadow Lord]

Well if he needs to see what a salamander list should look like I can post my list for him to see. He wont be able to take it because its 2500 but he can see the idea.