Daemons!

[Geneva]

Hey! Despite being in the midst of building an IG army my friend just got me a Lord of Change as a gift.

Those things are pretty expensive and I'd hate to just leave it on the shelf so can anyone tell me anything about playing Chaos Daemons?
I've personally never played with or against them and I've yet to give the Codex a proper read so I'm going to need some help.
As much as I love my friend I'm not shelling out several hundred bucks on an army I'll never play just to field a model she got me so I want an idea of their playstyle before I get started.

PS: I'm hoping for a Tzeentchy theme to it.

[rodgers37]

with deamons, you really need to mix and match...... tzeentch are ok at shooting (not great), and Lord of Change is pretty good, but you need some speed (Slaanesh) and/or survivability (Nurgle), or maybe just some hardcore assault units (Bloodletters/bloodcrushers) i think really tzeentch is the worst to play on its own, but with the right units along side the lord of changes and some pink horrors, it would be quite fun

(so basically, i would suggest, a sqaud or two of plague bearers for objectives, demonettes/fiends for speed, bloodletters/bloodcrushers for power weapons, soul grinder/deamon prince for some heavy support.......)
(btw, i don't play deamons, but i like to think i know a fair bit about how they work, and how to play them..... )

[guidebot]

Considered taking up WFB?

=)

[canadianone]

all tzeentch can work, its just a lot more difficult to pull off, mostl becasue horrors still arent that great at shooting, and you will have an exceptionally low model count for mediocre units, but they really can shoot the s%!t out something when they put their minds to it. i would suggest 3 daemon princes, all with mark of t, with this they really can multi task depending on which phycic powers you give them, and they still rock in cc. and also flamers are ridiculous, well pretty good, they decimate things like gaunt broods but are easily defeated and not to mention useless against something big like a fex or a tyrant.

[DAKKA!]

I've taken up playing Daemons on Vassal, and have to say they come second in my heart only to Nids. In terms of gameplay, Tzeentch is my favorite overall patron. Not to say the others have no purpose, as Plague Daemons are the ultimate tarpit unit (with a musician, just wow), Khorne as some incredibly nasty CC stuff and Daemonettes shred most MEqs. I suggest starting your small force with your Tzeentchy Greater Daemon, two units of Plague Daemons, Juggernauts, a fast attack choice (really all preference there) and a Daemon prince. A good starter force, and maybe you can substitute a unit of Plague Daemons for a troop of your choice (though I always run 2 units at 1500+). Good Luck!

[Fungus A]

I went for a khorne and Tzeentch list and made up some pretty good slaanesh lists.

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DO NOT NECRO! For the love of god, Just don't.

[Hive Fleet Phantom]

I had a khorne and tzeentch army and I found that the khore units didn't really do much since they have to sit there for a turn after they come in. My two favorite units were flamers(which own pretty much everything since they always wound on a 4+ w/ no saves) and soul grinders with both maw cannon upgrades.

[darthsphincter]

Feb 10, 2010 12:54:57 GMT Geneva said:

Hey! Despite being in the midst of building an IG army my friend just got me a Lord of Change as a gift.

Those things are pretty expensive and I'd hate to just leave it on the shelf so can anyone tell me anything about playing Chaos Daemons?
I've personally never played with or against them and I've yet to give the Codex a proper read so I'm going to need some help.
As much as I love my friend I'm not shelling out several hundred bucks on an army I'll never play just to field a model she got me so I want an idea of their playstyle before I get started.

PS: I'm hoping for a Tzeentchy theme to it.

Give it a fantasy base and start daemons as a WHFB army. They are highly competitive, lots of fun, and look great on the table. In 40k they are much weaker (and not as good looking imo)

[AKA Tervigon]

NEVER LEAVE HOME WITHOUT FATEWEAVER!

[rodgers37]

Feb 11, 2010 4:30:25 GMT AKA Tervigon said:

NEVER LEAVE HOME WITHOUT FATEWEAVER!

Why?
his 'good' power only has a 6" range..... and other than that he is a LoC

[rainthezangoose]

we no there gona be weaker, they havent evolved in since the dawn of times, OMG NOOO A DEAMON EVER BODY PANIC oh wait they die like T4 Gaurdsmen, know if they could assult when they drop

[CylonDorado]

Feb 11, 2010 3:52:27 GMT darthsphincter said:

Feb 10, 2010 12:54:57 GMT Geneva said:

Hey! Despite being in the midst of building an IG army my friend just got me a Lord of Change as a gift.

Those things are pretty expensive and I'd hate to just leave it on the shelf so can anyone tell me anything about playing Chaos Daemons?
I've personally never played with or against them and I've yet to give the Codex a proper read so I'm going to need some help.
As much as I love my friend I'm not shelling out several hundred bucks on an army I'll never play just to field a model she got me so I want an idea of their playstyle before I get started.

PS: I'm hoping for a Tzeentchy theme to it.

Give it a fantasy base and start daemons as a WHFB army. They are highly competitive, lots of fun, and look great on the table. In 40k they are much weaker (and not as good looking imo)

Nah, they're nigh-unbeatable in fantasy. No one will want to play you. They're decent in 40k, I just saw a mostly Khorne list table a tau army a week ago. But if you put them on the fantasy bases, I doubt anyone would care if you used them in 40k. That's what all that one dude's daemons were on.

And they're the same models, so how would the fantasy ones look better?

Fateweaver has a re-rollable invoulnerable, that's what's good about him. I've seen a different guy have a game against marines and the Fateweaver was the ONLY model left on the board at the end of the game.

[insanious]

Feb 10, 2010 19:16:42 GMT Hive Fleet Phantom said:

I had a khorne and tzeentch army and I found that the khore units didn't really do much since they have to sit there for a turn after they come in.

Don't Drop ur khorne units right infront of ur enemies, put them behind cover or behind your nurgle units... khorne may not be able to soak up shooting but damn do they rock in CC with their high s, furious charge, power weapons, etc... Juggernaughts are scarry as hell as well... oh and skulltaker on a juggernaught = A LOT of ID attacks with a 2+ SV

[warbossrannon13]

Put them on fantasy bases to you can play them in both games. You'll make opponents cry in Fantasy and give happiness to all non-tau foes in 40K.

[Psychichobo]

DON'T PLAY FANTASY. They're more broken than 14 Vehicle Imperial Guard. Seriously, if you know anything of fantasy one read of their book should pretty much cause you to look at any other fantasy army and PITY them.

As for playing Daemons, one big piece of advice:

IT'S ALL IN THE DEEPSTRIKING.

Seriously, people seem to think they just arrive and die, and this used to irk me a lot, particularly back in 4th ed with Raveners. You can run after deepstriking, so use that to spread out to avoid templates or to eke into cover, and Plaguebearers can deal with being shot at anyway. Daemonettes can then later fleet out from their hiding places to get into CC rather easily, so they can hide comfortably in most places. Horrors can shoot like crazy, so put them where they'll do damage. They already have a 4+ invul too, so unless you really want them out of LoS no need to cover hog.

Also: YOU CAN DEEPSTRIKE INTO COVER. It's not impassable terrain as I recall correctly, just difficult, which means dangerous terrain tests. So rolls of 1 ignore your armour save... oh wait, you have an INVUL save! Horrors in particular are good for dumping into buildings, shrugging off most damage and then shooting like crazy.



Units are up to you, most things in that dex are rather solid choice wise. Just master the deepstriking and you're good to go!