Space Marine Librarians

[ZergLord]

Is it just me, or are they the most pathetic psykers in the whole game?

I've faced them only couple of times in both 4th and 5th edition, and they never managed to do anything special. Other psykers (CSM Sorcerers, Eldar Farseers, Zoanthropes etc.) seem to be a much better choice.

Can Librarians do anything apart from being a nuisance?

[kanageddaamen]

They are pretty good, though not the greatest against nids.

Force weapons got a nerf in 5th that made made them much less effective (just make sure your fexes are in synapse)

Also, a lot of their powers don't have a drastic (or any) effect on us.
Might of the Ancients, Null Zone, Machine Curse, Smite, and Quickening have limited, no, or questionable use against us (depending on the army build)

Avenger, Force Dome, The Gate Of Infinity, and Vortex of Doom are all good though.

His Psychic hood can also cause problems against people relying on zoans to pop tanks.

[braytac]

SM libys are just bad.
the only power whit some effect is gate of infinity and that has a drawback to it!
it is just pathetic how much they suck.

the only + side on them is there psy hood. but to pay a 100 points for that is just a bit mutch

[waaanial00]

In their defence you can run a number of very interesting combinations with them but against nids those combinations really dont mean that much.

For example putting a Librarian with Null zone in with Thunder Hammer terminators is great against things like Demons or anything with an invulnerable save. Seeing as how the only Invulnerable nids get is 6+ it doesnt really help much.

I think the only combinations which make nids hurt are the following:

Avenger + lightning Claw Terminators against anything other than MC. This unit is going to completely murder anything that is not a MC in the nid list without suffering much back.

Might + Quickening + Epistolary. This is less useful but still allows you to attack at I10 S6 with a power weapon, again most things in the Nid list dont really care but if your Tyrant is down to a wound and a libby is close you might just find that it gets toasted.

Terminator Armour + Storm Shield + Vortex of Doom. Relentlessly shooting S10 AP2 blasts at you with a great chance at withstanding the backlash is going to put a serious dent in any screen and could really mess up warriors by dwindling their numbers sufficiently.

Assault 4 AP2 power, cant really remember what its called but this is yet more AP2 for your MC's to have to deal with.

All in all they are not really designed to kill nids in their droves but look at the same combinations behind a suit of Power Armour and they start to make a lot more sense. And as has been said already their hood is a great asset.

Wan

[monkey]

Dark angles have all the good powers......... flamer template strength 2d6-2 ap d6....... managed a strength 6 ap 1 hit on a 5 man term squad last game.

[coredump]

There is a segment of players that play that GoI can remove a unit from combat. (While I disagree, it is not cut and dry)
That would be of more use against Nids.

[Reaper]

My freind's librarian got charged by my CC flyrant.

He died.

i love IA.

[dumbdrum]

lol i love dark angels libys over smurf dex.

reason 1) higher I and A
reason 2) better powers, who can deny that flamer template at 2d6 S and Ap D6
reason 3) PSYCHIC SHIELD a save throw that can be made with a psychic test is just insane!

[rcdevils]

Well CHIEF LIBRARIAN MEPHISTON of the Blood Angels is pretty good

you can check him out here in the BA codex page 8.
www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1180159_Blood_Angels_Codex_and_FAQ_2007-08_5th_Edition.pdf