Beefier Flyrant Guard

[Thlaylie]

Tyrant Guard minus Extended Carapace plus Winged and Implant Attack is 66 points.

[nidaphile]

Very cool stuff... only, and I know i sound line an ass for saying this but... you know guards cant use wings?

[Thlaylie]

yup, just for friendly games/ Apocalypse.

[L0K!]

Nice!
What rules do you use to play with them?
Just guards +40 pts for wings?

[Thlaylie]

Minus 25 points for Extended Carapace (Tyrant) as a Tyranid with Winged can't have EC. I also added the optional Implant Attack. So 66 points each, 60 without the IA.

[bigpig]

Nice. Whats the source for the wings on the Flyrant?

[Trygon]

Balrog wings. They are great for large Tyranids.

Nice work Thlaylie. These models are great looking and its nice to see you have considered the whole permission first/apocalypse only thing a bit more this time. Good game. BTW are you going to be doing a data sheet for them?

[hivefleetsiafu]

those things are awesome so want to make some when i get the $ ;D

[Agi]

My hats off to you..keep it for all i care

very good job done!

Making that gaurd stand on his hind legs must of taken some doing

[Thlaylie]

Thank You all for the praise. Those are Dire Bat wings from the plastic DnD minis in case someone wants to build them.

I hadn't planned on a datasheet, is there a generic one out yet? I think I saw something on BOLS? I thought datasheets were for bigger units?

[zangetsu]

Nope the're for any special configurations of troops and units.

[Trygon]

The blank datasheet is here: uk.games-workshop.com/apocalypse/scratch/7/

[Hive Fleet Green Locust]

I still don't like the idea of making up Flyrant Gaurd, but the conversions definetly look amazing. I don't think you should subtract 25pts from their cost as Gaurd do not have Extended Carapace in there regular profile. However, since Guard have half the number of wounds as a Tyrant, you could reasonably say that wings are only 20 pts for Guard instead of the 40 per Tyrant, therefore making Flyrant Guard 65 pts

[Thlaylie]

I went by their comparable S and T and the fact everyone thinks they should cost alot. Tyrant Guard are considered to have EC, and thats been removed from the shoulders to permit wings. Lowers their save a bit as well, and that makes people happy too.

Thanks for the blank datasheet, I'll see what I can do.

[Hive Fleet Green Locust]

Actually Gaurd are *not* considered to have EC. But I do understand the need to represent a trade-off instead of just having 85 pt models that are just extra wounds for a Tyrant.

It would be easier to just add 20pt wings rather then explain the process of making their save worse. Since you only have to wound a Guard twice to kill it rather than 4x like a Tyrant, halving the cost of wings is quite reasonable (and you get to keep the 3+sv).

The cost would be only 5 pts more than what you are proposing and they would be overall more effective and easier to explain to opponents.

And by the way, since you can make your own units for Apoc games, I would just like to say that this is a great idea even though I previously was opposed to it.