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Post by ravener on Oct 28, 2005 0:55:56 GMT
Ahhhhhh! Thats nasty! A bad bioplasma attack! I have to try that! It could also substitue as a melta/flamer shot gone bad. Sweet
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Post by Devil's Advocate on Oct 28, 2005 16:03:16 GMT
over 50% of the model is melted... I'd lean towards bioplasma or acid, not melta/flamer.
If I were doing a melta wound (on a marine) I'd drill a large hole out of him, probably all the way through, very briefly burn the edges of it (or use the aforementioned glue method for gloopy effect) and paint him up like that. I see them as highly focused heat guns, perhaps even evaporating all the the water in a person (ala the most recent War of the Worlds)
I made some tyranid wound markers out of rippers, decapitated some, drilled bullet holes in one, left guts everywhere.. I tried to make a flamer wound...put a little bit of glue on it (just a drop) burned it off, and let it cool. it distorted the carapace a bit, so I painted him my normal way, glosscoated it, then drybrushed black over the burn wounds... it kinda worked.. not too well. if I were to do it again, I'd do a wash of the blood-color, gloss coat, then drybrush black over. still, the carapace distortion was not quite what I was looking for.
moral of the story: the burned plastics may give a cool effect, but it may also distort your model in a way you didn't want it to.
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Post by General Chips on Oct 29, 2005 5:05:20 GMT
This stuff is freaking awsome!
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Post by ravener on Oct 29, 2005 17:43:15 GMT
Any special advise for killing, say, catachens?
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Post by Devil's Advocate on Oct 31, 2005 16:43:20 GMT
oo thats a tough one. I don't have more than 3 catachans that were given to me. gimme a couple days to look at the model set and come up with some ideas...
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Post by ravener on Nov 1, 2005 0:15:13 GMT
Thanks!
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Post by Devil's Advocate on Nov 10, 2005 20:07:17 GMT
Any special advise for killing, say, catachens? Sorry for taking so long rav. the biggest problem with catachans is three fold: 1. they're so dynamically posed. 2. they have lots of skin showing. 3. the rest of it is soft cloth. however, there are some advantages to this as well. being so dynamically posed, you could put them in mid-death poses, for example, perhaps shot up with a spike rifle by using the flesh hooks from the warrior sprue, perhaps caught in some sticky tyranid web, or having some lictor or broodlord feasting on his brains with a feeder tendrils... still some conversion work will be necessary. looking at the Sprue... lets start with the legs. probably the easiest would be the upper right legs. these won't need much modification (unless they're offset, one in front of the other) you should just be able to lay them out. the lower right legs would be an excellent candidate for the cut-at-hip technique to reposition. the trick here is to use greenstuff to fill in the gap, and where both the advantage and disadvantage of the model comes into play, on the down side, it's not hardened space marine armor with clearly defined joints that can flex or rotate. on the upside, cloth can be easy to simulate with the greenstuff.... without getting into a long lecture on how cloth stretches and crushes, I recommend looking at your own legs, (clad in pants) and examine how the cloth folds around the hips, thighs and knees. after you mix some epoxy putty, stuff a bit into the gap that remains in the legs, use the tip of a paintbrush, a toothpick or other implement (with a dab of water) to create the needed stretches or wrinkles. let it harden for a bit, then take a smallish soft brush, loaded with water and use it to smooth out the imprints your fingers and tools made in the join, yet still preserve the wrinkles you put in. the running legs would be great to either pose mid-death, or to cut the hip and rotate the back leg/foot up to make a death pose that is a little more dynamic. Arms and shoulders: downside: lots of bare skin that is visible-human anatomy is hard! upside: if you limit your converting to the shoulder area, most of your putty work will be simple and often rounded. use some of the bladed knife hands. cut the deltoid (shoulder) at an angle to be able to lay the arm out flat, and re-glue it to the body. fill in the gap with the putty, smooth with brush and water. Other handy tricks: replace limbs with bits from the skeleton or zombie sprue. most of the proportions are fairly correct. remove limbs entirely.. who's to say the limb wasn't torn off by the genestealer that's standing over him. be sure to use the gore tips in the previous posts.. with so much cloth, the gore will spread further and more messily... how fun would it be to have a catachan who looks perfectly fine, except that he's lying on the ground, his abdomen a little concave, yet strange lumpy bits are still in his shirt, but have moved around to the side. you could paint his shirt blackish with a bit of red (green+red make greyish black.. if it's wet it'll be dark, but the more blood there is, the more the red will shine through... and the body holds a surprisingly large amount of blood.) or a catachan where the back of his head is missing... I hope this satisfies your need for tips or advice.. let me know if you have any other questions! (I wish I had a digital camera) but feel free to post your Works in Progress, perhaps we can render suggestions..
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Post by ravener on Nov 10, 2005 22:03:28 GMT
i now have have 20 catchen for less than 10 bucks off ebay. And i have made 10 i think. I think they look pretty cool but i love your converting talent. I cant post pics due to lack of camera, and i still dont have sand to base and therefore cant really finish these guys or put them in cool positions on bases. Now i have one problem. One of the guys has large gas filled tanks on his back, and i said to my self, what if those just happened to take a bolt or talon? Suggestions?
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Post by Devil's Advocate on Nov 11, 2005 17:13:49 GMT
sweet deal on ebay.. ---===warning for the squeamish===--- -graphic content-Firey death. in WW II both sides used flamethrowers to deal with enemy bunkers. extrememly effective, extremely nasty.... with the unfortunate side effect of the flame thrower tank catching a bullet. because of all these reasons, flamethrowers were forbidden by (I think) the Geneva Convention, along with shotguns and a host of other weapons (as these weapons often maimed more than killed the enemy.. inhumanely). results weren't usually so much ground, half-cooked meat flying everywhere as much as the flash-burn victem now coated in his own fuel and burning to death, as well as his occasional buddy. along with the bits of shrapnel in his body. plenty of the guy left over, none of it pretty.. at those temperatures, flesh doesn't always just burn. it melts, too. fingers are welded together, muscle liquifies and chars, ears are turned into stumps, most defining features are melted/burned away... nasty nasty stuff... with fresh burn wounds, the skin will char and split, leaving raw flesh underneath, allowing oozing bleeding and other fluids. --lecture over-- I imagine a guy lying face down, spread eagle, with plenty of charred ground around him. (assuming you paint your bases) assemble the model face down. if you don't want to deal with the repositioning of legs, try using a pebble or something for the leg to be propped up on.. like he tripped. assemble the model. the trickiest part will be the arms and the tank. you may wish to remove the hose to the flamer. either it burned off (unlikely) or make a new one from guitar wire. cut the arms at the deltoid to have the arms lay flat. leave some of the deltoid on to make sure you can see the shoulder. either cut off the hands at the wrist, or perhaps use epoxy putty to weld the fingers together. use a thin layer (I've not done this myself) over some of the pants and other clothes. blend the edges into the cloth itself. Use a small pointy tool to make it look ragged and full of holes, as if burned away. you may want to use the tip of an exacto knife to cut small cracks in the exposed flesh. try to cut in small geometric patterns, similar to dry cracked earth: the tank: Note: I may edit this later. I've got a cadian flamer that I think I may try this with. my mind is working on how to best make this work.first thought on how: either get a drill and bore it out, or cut a good portion of it off, hollow out the insides, leaving a ragged-shell of plastic. bend it out carefully to make it look like it exploded out. glue the tank on after it's been completed. add your basing material (not grass) and primer. painting: all exposed flesh: start with a lovely blood red. drybrush a LITTLE black, then your fleshtones over it, then more dark browns and blacks. you're looking for a layered effect of flesh-skin-charred areas. cloth: red around where the burned cloth is, then drybrush the regular color of the cothes, then drybrush black over that. ground: paint normally, drybrush black in splash-like patterns near the corpse. matte lacquer, then glossy 'ard coat in very selective areas near the reddest of the wounds. ***Edit*** so I took a serious look at carving out the inside of cadian flamer fuel tanks, and decided it would not be worth the effort, however, I was thinking back to all the soda cans I've seen in fire pits. wrinkled, shrivelled things they were. so I started carving. and cutting. the cans are now wrinkled and shrivelled, and I'll be putting it on the base of some creature soon.
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Post by ravener on Nov 11, 2005 19:43:04 GMT
Thats some quality, yet quite nasty work! Do you know how to make fire out of green stuff? One of my friends made some sweet fire along time ago...
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Post by ravener on Nov 11, 2005 19:51:54 GMT
Just wondering, but what kind of kills would you expect from a) a tyrant with syths b) rippers c) a gunfex d) lictor? Because those are the guys in my army who will probably get dead people on their bases right now
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Post by Devil's Advocate on Nov 11, 2005 20:31:54 GMT
Thats some quality, yet quite nasty work! Do you know how to make fire out of green stuff? One of my friends made some sweet fire along time ago... I could give it a go, but this other guy would do a far better job than I. I recommend that you Pick your Poison
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Post by Devil's Advocate on Nov 11, 2005 20:40:49 GMT
Just wondering, but what kind of kills would you expect from a) a tyrant with syths b) rippers c) a gunfex d) lictor? Because those are the guys in my army who will probably get dead people on their bases right now a: Crushed, dismembered, flayed bodies. he's too big to do any but the most devastating attacks, and probably doesn't stay in one place long enough to really make a mess or revel in it. b: rippers are the consumers of the hive.. they consist of legs, sharp teeth, a few sensory organs, and a large stomach. if they don't eat all of a corpse, they might leave a few bones or a half-eaten corpse behind c: depends on the guns...read the codex. it tells how each one works. Devourers, lots of little holes and worms... like maggots on rotting meat. venom cannon: think what a sandblaster turned on high would to do a person. Barbed strangler: think of a giant tumbleweed that grows insanely fast, with hooks and vines and things that tear people apart. Deathspitters... I'm not sure how they work. edit: re-reading this made me rememeber a talk I had with someone a while ago. just because you're rolling 2 dice to shoot someone with a devourer doesn't mean that only two shots are fired. it's representing that out of all of the shots fired, you have 2 chances of causing wounds--I just thought it bore mentioning. d: shredded bodies, lots of gore, hewn limbs. they are the terror spreading, vanguard organisms. they will leave behind a gigantic mess and skulls that are missing their brains.
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Post by ravener on Nov 11, 2005 21:11:06 GMT
Oh, ugg. Great advice. Ill think ill go downstairs and mutaliate some bodys now!
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Post by Devil's Advocate on Nov 17, 2005 17:51:49 GMT
I realize now, that the last thing I needed to do was describe and conceive these ideas.. I just had to go and build some and make a devourer victim test model. (that devourer-destroyed tank is getting closer and closer) I needed to give one of my extra (unassembled) lictors to my friend, so I started building it... with, of course, a dead cadian at the base... I'll try to get pics this weekend. the lictor will be only partially assembled for corpse clarity... and I've started laying out the pieces for the burn victim... I suppose I could put him at the base of my unassembled flying tyrant... those orks keep getting put off further and further.
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