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Post by mattblowers on Mar 19, 2024 19:10:18 GMT
Playing Nids in 10th is boring and not satisfactory. Fair enough. I find that true of the game overall. Tyranids used to be a unique, not so much anymore. Necrons were pretty good but that magic number to wipe them out (ok that rule was always trash). Orks, never used to have a bad game against Orks. They were always good for laugh. Eldar were a great army if someone got the synergies right, then GW gave them WKs, BS3 and they have wavered between OP and irrelevant ever since, but mainly OP. Heck, you had Craftworlds (chocalate), Harelquins (vanilla), Ynarri (strawberry), and Corsair (raspberry); now are all a type of vanilla: vanilla, vanilla bean, french vanilla, and all natural vanilla. Different but not really. I miss the good ol' days and "get the (please do not swear) off my lawn!!" or some (please do not swear) like that. |
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Post by creatureboi on Mar 20, 2024 11:24:01 GMT
Two issues. The first is that forums generally are in the way out due to competition from other sources, especially social media sites and applications. It is far easier and quicker to consume this sort of content on Facebook groups, Discord channels and so on - at least for the younger generation. I don’t know what the current demographic of the Hive is but I suspect it is more mature that other areas of the internet.
The second issue is that tyranids are in a bad place. I’ve personally stopped playing them for now as I just no longer enjoy the way they play. Every game feels the same to me now - I rush forward trying to earn as many VP as possible as quickly as I can before the enemy can wipe me out, in the hope that I can build up a big enough lead that when my army inevitably collapses I’m too far ahead for the enemy to catch up. If I try to play more carefully I get bulldozed by a far more resilient enemy that I simply don’t have the killing power to stop.
As one of the first armies to be released we also have nothing new to look forward to. Most of the traffic on this site is around two things - speculating about changes ahead of upcoming releases or discussing the impact of changes and updating strategies. As we’ve already had our codex we can be pretty sure that, aside from occasions points updates, nothing is going to change for us now for a couple of years at least.
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Post by mattblowers on Mar 20, 2024 11:57:17 GMT
Two issues. The first is that forums generally are in the way out due to competition from other sources, especially social media sites and applications. It is far easier and quicker to consume this sort of content on Facebook groups, Discord channels and so on - at least for the younger generation. I don’t know what the current demographic of the Hive is but I suspect it is more mature that other areas of the internet. Definitely a more mature audience than most of the alternatives. I've had grey in my beard for more than a decade and have a grandchild. I just find the other formats way to ephemeral for me. It's about the latest post (what is viral) and that is it. As a society we have the attention span of a goldfish. Start a discussion about something that is a little off the wall and it doesn't have time to germinate and develop in to a strategy. I don't think lictor shame, tyrant spam, gaunt carpet, etc. could develop on any of those platforms as they would get pushed out of sight before they had a chance to develop. I don't necessarily agree with this. At least not compared to historically. We were measurably the worst codex from end of 5th until the index change in 8th edition. We had a few decent builds but the codex was trash. This codex has done pretty decent in the right hands. I agree that we do tend to collapse, but that is largely a lack of invul to stay or enough heaving hitting counter punch to trade well. But that has always been the case with 'nids. We still have the cheapest bodies. I feel that we still play similar to how we always have. Maybe. But the forum used to be brimming with posts even deep into a codex. Our new codex released, it flashed for a month and then faded out. Heck, look at the GSC board, it stopped having any posts while it was still arguably the hottest army on the block. I stopped posting to it because I want to see how long it will go. |
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Post by killercroc on Mar 20, 2024 14:28:27 GMT
Playing Nids in 10th is boring and not satisfactory. Fair enough. I find that true of the game overall. Tyranids used to be a unique, not so much anymore. Necrons were pretty good but that magic number to wipe them out (ok that rule was always trash). Orks, never used to have a bad game against Orks. They were always good for laugh. Eldar were a great army if someone got the synergies right, then GW gave them WKs, BS3 and they have wavered between OP and irrelevant ever since, but mainly OP. Heck, you had Craftworlds (chocalate), Harelquins (vanilla), Ynarri (strawberry), and Corsair (raspberry); now are all a type of vanilla: vanilla, vanilla bean, french vanilla, and all natural vanilla. Different but not really. I miss the good ol' days and "get the (please do not swear) off my lawn!!" or some (please do not swear) like that. I've noticed this too in just a few games, Nids don't feel really special any more and I'd wager a lot of other armies don't particularly do much either. A lot of the rules I thought were unique to Nids, turn out to be in just about every other codex out there. And some others seem to have more and better versions of it, I just looked through the Sisters Datasheet, now sure they're a squishier army being T3 but they're not a points heavy army, got a lot of special and heavy weapons, have all our special abilities plus more, and my God the amount of Character synergy in that army is amazing. I want that for our Nids! Also I just feel our army wide ability isn't that great, forcing everything to take a BS test, -1 with the Neuro. It seems pretty good, wipe OC to 0 and make it so you can't use Strats... but every other unit out there is Ld 6 or 7 so the chance of failing is actually quite low. and that's it, it's a 1-shot ability that's gone by the next Command phase, would like something that lasted a big longer and was longer lasting. Like... enemy units within 6" have to take a BS test on top of the board wide version would be nice, make getting next to the big scary brain bugs actually scarry! I've been having good games because the people I play with are nice, but can't say overall I've had an amazing game playing my Intergalactic space locusts for what they are. |
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Post by Hive Bahamut on Mar 20, 2024 17:02:47 GMT
As someone who used to frequent the Hive it comes in a few parts:
1. Tyranids have been my army since 4th, but I have not really updated the roster, or even finished painting most of them. 10th plays very different, and with the new wave of models, I am on hiatus with Nids until I make time to restart..
2. GSC. The Hive works for Nids stuff, but I was starved for GSC info. Discord is the only place I have found any semblance of useful knowledge as most streamers who play GSC do so as a hobby army, and wonder why they get dunked turn one. Ex. Art of War has no idea what the faction does, while Tabletop Titans just gets steamrolled with 8th lists.
3. Responses. Unlike talking to myself there are a plethora of people that answer questions, and many of them are trying to make it work.
4. Bland. 10th is extremely noob friendly which means there is no substance for us vets. Why no wargear costs? What about if I want 6 or 7 models not 5? This has seen every codex somewhat homogenize and become bland. Original icecream, not even vanilla.
5. Phone. I use my phone for most interactions now and find it easier to digest.
6. Times. As mentioned the Hive never adapted and using 3rd parties meant usually just better off using them in the first place.
7. Leagues. Joining the local league has left much of my curiousity to the wind. I finally play Drukhari next and that will be the last one!
I love the Hive and have had many great conversations here. Best of luck to everyone!
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Post by N.I.B. on Mar 21, 2024 14:29:04 GMT
Some old favourites: remember when Voraciousapathy came from no where and fired up the Hive with his hype of the Walkrant/Swarmlord deathstar? 5h ed IIRC, with layered cover saves from 25% obscured models in the same unit. It was never as good as he claimed it was, but by God he could write up a hype! And then he disappeared abruptly. Sadly I think the threads are gone from the TTH archive.
Early days of Hive Guards were glorious - back in the day of Stelek inspired Razorback spam ruling the land, Hive Guards cut them down to size.
The Null deployment builds, Mycetic Spores! Never had so much fun in tournaments.
Biomancy! The triple Tervigon list is probably the strongest I ever ran, along with the broken Flying Circus. Both very short spanned sadly (or not, the Flyer rules were unfun to play against).
Honorably mention goes to Ymgarl Genestealers, living rent free in your opponents head.
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Post by purestrain on Mar 21, 2024 14:59:45 GMT
Sadly, those days seem gone.
"Lost, in the dilithium mines of Remus"
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Post by killercroc on Mar 21, 2024 15:30:48 GMT
I realized that too, I was messaging Koyori the other day (Even she hasn't logged on in 5 years) about how I remember so many people who were on the Hive all the time, like messages and posts every day. Look on their accounts, last log in was like 10 years ago. Just... dang.
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Post by Jbizzy on Mar 22, 2024 2:49:17 GMT
I spend most of my tyranid day dreaming time on the discord server now.
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Post by karnus on Mar 22, 2024 9:15:22 GMT
As others have said already, traditional forums and message boards are slowly becoming a thing of the past in favour of discord etc... I check back in every now and then on various boards but I will be lucky if there is more than 1 thread that is less than 2 days old.
I picked up Warhammer 40k again after being out of the hobby for years and got back on the Nid hype - The Hive is the place to go I thought! but alas while this thread has activity, I've only got a single reply over the course of a week asking for feedback on an army list.
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Post by vejby on Mar 22, 2024 11:41:14 GMT
I like forums as a repository of knowledge and discussions that would be lost in facebook like-hunting and other free-for-all media.
But Warhammer 40K and nids in particular are not as interesting as they used to be. The game seems strategically flatter than previous editions and nids have last their special flavour over the years.
The game itself is, probably, objectively better than in the past in terms of accessibility and overall balance but it has lost so much flavour in the transition. It has become the D&D of wargaming, all-encompassing and ubiquitous to the point where it has become a mainstream activity, but also clunky and restrained by its own success. I miss the days where mentioning 40K would evoke the same vibe as playing an obscure RPG-system with a specific lore-heavy setting and a ruleset that workes as much with the players as against but in doing so accurately portrayed how living in that setting would feel.
40K also requires a huge investment in time and money to get into or to start a new army up and boy-oh-boy do some of the heavier euro-style Kickstarter boardgames seem like a whole lot better deal when gauging the ratio between time-to-prepare and time-to-enjoy between 40K and other experiences.
That being said, I check the Hive regularly for new posts and will almost always give them a read, even if I no longer have the commitment to the game to comment usefully.
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Post by mattblowers on Mar 22, 2024 12:42:49 GMT
40K also requires a huge investment in time and money to get into or to start a new army up and boy-oh-boy do some of the heavier euro-style Kickstarter boardgames seem like a whole lot better deal when gauging the ratio between time-to-prepare and time-to-enjoy between 40K and other experiences. Boardgames =/= tabletop wargaming. I agree that if you mention tabletop wargaming people ask "Oh, you mean Warhammer 40K?" That's probably a good thing though. I'm a miniature wargamer and the success of 40K breeds success for other games too. In the book Talking Miniatures John Stallard talks about if it weren't for GW doing well, Warlord would stuggle to exist. GW is the gateway drug to get us to better games. I still have a huge fond spot for GW games and they make the best miniatures by a mile. |
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Post by infornography on Mar 23, 2024 14:05:50 GMT
I've been feeling this thread for a while now.
All of it.
Forums dying out makes me sad, the current edition is bland unflavored shaved ice when we used to have a whole baskin robbins to choose from, current codex is straight up unfun to play or play against, less time to go find games than I used to have, hands not as steady as they used to be, painting is a giant chore and I just don't even do it anymore due to my enormous backlog of assembly which I find more entertaining, etc.
On top of all that my employer now blocks this website at work so I can only catch up at most once a week and often don't even bother that frequently.
My favorite part of 40k was always list building and theory. That is mostly dead this edition.
I don't have much to contribute because I just don't play anymore and there isn't enough to sink my teeth into on the list building front to keep my interest.
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Post by Overread on Mar 23, 2024 21:32:20 GMT
I still drop in from time to time - certainly Discords have taken over somewhat; but before that Facebook gave forums a run for their money.
The other thing is advertising. Most forums grew in a time when you didn't need to advertise or SEO your way to getting noticed because people came looking and the search engines weren't bloated with ads. Fastforwrad and today teh net is much busier, but also not. Search engines are more complicated but in some ways deliver less than they used too in variety and often as not you've got to pay to advertise to recruit new people and the likes of Facebook swamp that market for social interaction; even if its social systems are primitive compared to forums.
So forums wound up with the same slow death of any social group that isn't getting young fresh blood in - the old timers steadily drift. They get busy with other things; do other stuff and devote less time to the site which causes others to devote less time and its a cycle.
So even though tabletop wargaming is the strongest its ever been right now for both GW and 3rd parties; forums are weakening. Heck the biggest photography forum shut down at the start of the year (partly because the guy running it also didn't want to run it any more). I lament their loss because facebook never rose to give the same interface for information. It has population aplenty but not hte same social building elements that forums had. Discord is slowly becoming forums in format and function honestly - they even have threadded sections and everything now so its steadily getting a lot of the same features forums had plus some handy ones like pinging people and so forum .
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Post by icetyrant on Mar 24, 2024 13:21:04 GMT
I always keep a tab open for the hive and try to keep up, but I've not played in years... :/
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