Balance slate up

[trashcan01]

The FAQ says this about disembarking and charging:
Embarked Units and Reserves: Units embarked within a Reserves model can disembark in the turn that model is set up. When they do, they cannot be set up within 9" horizontally of one or more enemy units, they count as having made a Normal move (see Count as Having Made a Normal Move), and they cannot declare a charge this turn (unless a rule specifically states otherwise), but they can otherwise act normally in the remainder of the turn.

Doesn't that mean you can't Deep strike, disembark and charge?
Also, maybe move this discussion to the rules clarification section?

[purestrain]

Feb 2, 2024 8:48:32 GMT trashcan01 said:

The FAQ says this about disembarking and charging:
Embarked Units and Reserves: Units embarked within a Reserves model can disembark in the turn that model is set up. When they do, they cannot be set up within 9" horizontally of one or more enemy units, they count as having made a Normal move (see Count as Having Made a Normal Move), and they cannot declare a charge this turn (unless a rule specifically states otherwise), but they can otherwise act normally in the remainder of the turn.

Doesn't that mean you can't Deep strike, disembark and charge?
Also, maybe move this discussion to the rules clarification section?

This is true, but you cannot be the target of overwatch anymore for disembarking so it's a kind of wash that puts shooting or exceptionally tough units ahead

[dkng]

Feb 2, 2024 18:55:54 GMT purestrain said:

This is true, but you cannot be the target of overwatch anymore for disembarking so it's a kind of wash that puts shooting or exceptionally tough units ahead

Wut?
Overwatch can be used on a unit that is set up on the battlefield.
Disembarking is „setting up” a unit on the battlefield.

[purestrain]

Feb 2, 2024 23:22:40 GMT dkng said:

Feb 2, 2024 18:55:54 GMT purestrain said:

This is true, but you cannot be the target of overwatch anymore for disembarking so it's a kind of wash that puts shooting or exceptionally tough units ahead

Wut?
Overwatch can be used on a unit that is set up on the battlefield.
Disembarking is „setting up” a unit on the battlefield.

From the new dataslate/rules changes

"Similarly, a unit that disembarks from a Transport that made a
Normal move this phase also counts as having made a Normal move,
but has not made a Normal move, so such a unit’s arrival cannot
trigger Stratagems or abilities that are used after a unit makes a
Normal move (see Embarked Units and Reserves)."

[purestrain]

Since coming from outside the game (ie ds or outflank) in a transport makes it so the transport did a full move, you can get out,not get overwatched, not charge but still shoot.

[bugsy]

I understand that they make rules changes for balance reasons. However this i logically beyond stupid. You stand there with your flamer watching a rhino come at you and now you can shoot overwatch. But while you wait for the dudes inside to drag their asses out of the rhino, all of a sudden, you cannot shoot.

It’s not a ”normal” move. It’s an abnormal move.

[dkng]

Feb 3, 2024 2:51:04 GMT purestrain said:

Since coming from outside the game (ie ds or outflank) in a transport makes it so the transport did a full move, you can get out,not get overwatched, not charge but still shoot.

Yes, it „counts as having made a Normal Move” but before that it is „set up” and you can play Overwatch stratagem when unit is set up.
www.goonhammer.com/q1-2024-balance-dataslate-mfm-rules-commentary-the-goonhammer-review/

[purestrain]

Feb 3, 2024 8:58:26 GMT dkng said:

Feb 3, 2024 2:51:04 GMT purestrain said:

Since coming from outside the game (ie ds or outflank) in a transport makes it so the transport did a full move, you can get out,not get overwatched, not charge but still shoot.

Yes, it „counts as having made a Normal Move” but before that it is „set up” and you can play Overwatch stratagem when unit is set up.
www.goonhammer.com/q1-2024-balance-dataslate-mfm-rules-commentary-the-goonhammer-review/

Indeed. It seems like a net loss for us because now you can't scuttle a Gant squad if a drop pod tries to plop down some chaff clearing stuff :/

[LordPathos]

Feb 1, 2024 13:15:43 GMT dkng said:

Feb 1, 2024 10:35:29 GMT trashcan01 said:

Now excuse me, I've got a Tyrannofex to dust off.

Whelp! I have 3 of them, bought two like a week before this dumb points increase
Even though they are not the most competitive I want to play a list with all three - two rupture and one acid.

Umm...excuse me. I think you need two Fleshborer Hives and one more Fleshborer Hive.

[purestrain]

Feb 3, 2024 16:12:06 GMT LordPathos said:

Feb 1, 2024 13:15:43 GMT dkng said:

Whelp! I have 3 of them, bought two like a week before this dumb points increase
Even though they are not the most competitive I want to play a list with all three - two rupture and one acid.

Umm...excuse me. I think you need two Fleshborer Hives and one more Fleshborer Hive.

I have two fbh base fex, and one that can swap between the three.

My buddy just finished his votann he has its not a lot of anti tank/monster so ima bring 3 fbh and make it a ball.

[dkng]

If we had any other good ranged AT options I’d gladly use FBHs as anti-infantry. Sadly Zoans are cr@p and Exos are wasted on targets with T 9 and up. 190 for a Rupture Cannon is still not fantastic but with a bit of luck it can threaten heavy stuff.

[mattblowers]

Feb 3, 2024 19:56:42 GMT dkng said:

If we had any other good ranged AT options I’d gladly use FBHs as anti-infantry. Sadly Zoans are cr@p and Exos are wasted on targets with T 9 and up. 190 for a Rupture Cannon is still not fantastic but with a bit of luck it can threaten heavy stuff.

I still find zoans to be quite good, unless they recently got a points uptick.

The t-fex for me continues to be too wildly swingy in output to put in any serious list. Consistency is king.

[trashcan01]

Yeah, RuptureFex is usually paired with Exocrines to be more consistent. It helps, kind of. Sometimes. A bit.
Who am I kidding, it's still swingy. But I love it.

[piersonsmuppet]

Feb 6, 2024 16:22:08 GMT trashcan01 said:

Yeah, RuptureFex is usually paired with Exocrines to be more consistent. It helps, kind of. Sometimes. A bit.
Who am I kidding, it's still swingy. But I love it.

Dunno if it's a great idea to be wasting an Exo's shooting phase to give just rr1's to the rupturefex. Rupturefex are probably best used in Nexus for 1CP hits & wounds of 1; two with rr's is pretty much a guarantee that the target is dead, if one gets it done CP wasn't wasted and the second gets some bonus shots off.

Edit: keep them near the -1D Tyrant for a free rr on the swingy damage roll for extra bonus.

[dkng]

This may be a matter of preference but for me Zoans are a dead weight. Two things - speed and survivability. 5” movement is a pain, you simply have to babysit them with a Tyrant. 3 wounds with T5 die to a stiff breeze, even with 4++. Each pack a single, 24” shot, on 3+. The other mode with d3 attacks and d3 dmg is waay too unreliable. For ~37 ppm this is not a good deal. 4 wounds would make them much more decent. Anti-tank on the first mode and anti-infantry on the second would make them decent. Dealing Mortals would make them decent.
Recent top placing lists don’t use them at all.
While I agree Tfex is very swingy it does at least provide a long range, high S threat that actually makes the opponent think about movement and has an excellent profile that makes it stand a chance in a shoot-out with a tank.