Codex wishlist

[ausnid]

If we get to look at detachments, maybe something something along the lines of:

"Crusher Stampede vII" - must take 50%+ units as monsters
                                    - no monsters may start in strat reserve (but can deepstrike if able).
                                    - all monsters cannot be wounded on less than 4+
                                    - all monsters add +1 to move and charge 


"Endless Tide"                - must take min 3 endless multitude units
                                    - must take <50% units as monsters

                                    - for every endless multitude unit destroyed, at the beginning of your next turn roll a d6. On the roll per the below, that unit                                       may 're-enter' the battle using the rules for strategic reserves
                                        T2: 5+

                                        T3: 4+

                                        T4: 3+

                                        T5: 2+

    

[dkng]

So we are going to get new detachments in the Codex.

Most probably the Invasion Fleet will stay the same as it is now and will be dedicated to more of a hordy style. Perhaps it will gain some kind of buffs and restrictions for the gribblies. Say… you have to take 6 Battleline choices and they all get 6+ fnp.
What about the other detachments? Rumor has it we will get a Vanguard and a Monster ones. What do you guys wish for those to have?

Vanguard - Rapid Ingress costs 0 CP for the army and Deep Striking units get +2 to charge rollls. You can’t take more than 3 Monsters with W greater than 10.
Strats:
Feeder Tendrils - use in fight phase, gain VPs for wiping the enemy (wink wink Cranial Feasting)
Hidden Hunter - classic remove Lictor and then DS him
Teeth and Claws - if enemy engaged by at least two Tyranid units, bugs get bonus -1 AP in melee

Crushing Stampede - Monsters get MW impact hits in charge phase (2-4 gets D3 mortals, 5-6 D3+3). For each monster in the army you have to take an infantry unit.
Strats:
Death Throes - automatic Deadly Demise
Reinforced Chitin - a monster gets transhuman 1-3 or 4++ or -1D for a phase.
Living Battering Ram - if cleared a unit in melee can consolidate 6”

[piersonsmuppet]

I think speed for Vanguard; +1 to Adv & Charge rolls, can rr charges if set up on the battlefield this turn, stealth if set up during opponent’s turn, only models with W10 or less.

Defense/OC for Monsters; +1 OC, Monsters 5++/-1D, Infantry 6++, only models with W3 or more.

[gauntlet]

Neurolictor being the solution for losing Trigon Prime as Synapse in the enemy deployment zone.

[Iryan]

I don't think Invasion Fleet is a "horde style" detachment, it is very much generalist. Which is fine. I do hope that some of its stratagems will be available to other detachments as well, particularly Regeneration and Endless Swarm.

What I hope for new detachments is ones that both lend to a specific playstyle and flavor at the same time, and that rewards the player for using the appropriate units. In particular, what I don't want to see would be something like... as an example, a detachment where the flavor is "everything has super-evolved toxin sacs", but then the army rule is all weapons getting Anti-Infantry 3+, meaning that toxicrenes and venomthropes, despite being the units you would EXPECT a super toxic army to field, are actually weaker choices than usual since they do not benefit from the army rule at all. Stuff like that grinds my gears.

Detachments that I would like to see would be

1. Mobility-centered detachment with an army rule that is something like "+1 to all advance and charge rolls", a strat that gives a unit "shoot and charge even after advancing", an Enhancement that gives the model Fights First and +2 to its movement characteristic, stuff like that.

2. Resilience-centered detachment, possibly monster-focused, with stuff like enemy Apen reduction, a strat that lets a model stand back up with d3 wounds remaining, those sorts of things.

3. Psyker-centered detachment, that gives/improves invuln saves and that gives powerful psychic-power flavored stratagems that requires you to have a psyker nearby to use (like a longer range, more powerful version of the generic Grenade strat).

[ilovethenids]

I doubt ANY of this will happen since it could give our bugs the possibility of actually being good, but here's some thoughts I wrote down upon watching a few games and seeing results from other folks on here.

Here's what I'd do:

Synapse:
Either "ignores battle shock tests when within 6," "battleshock on 3D6 within 12-18," and in the latter case the leadership of all bugs needs to be reduced to the point where 3D6 is practically a guaranteed success (maybe 7+ or 8+).

Shadow in the Warp:
Constant effect to enemy leadership - perhaps within 12-18" range of a synapse creature, enemy units take Battle Shock rolling 3D6 and discarding the lowest dice (the once per game current effect could be a strategem instead). It should also make any attacks with the Psychic keyword take Mortal Wounds on a 1 if used within 12-18" of a Tyranid with the Shadow in the Warp keyword. You could even give potent Tyranid psykers (Hive Tyrants, Zoanthropes, Neurothrope, Maleceptor) the ability to cause more Mortal Wounds (ie D3) on a 1 instead, or even have it be dependent on how many units with the SiTW keyword they are near to represent the potency of being near so many Tyranid psykers.

Give more AP-3 to units that are dedicated anti-heavy infantry and anti-tank. Even Hierodule Bio-cannons and talons don't have AP-3. Monster melee weapons should be AP-3, period, at least on strike profiles. Same with heavy venom cannons. Their role is anti-tank - act like anti-tank weapons. So overall give sweeping strikes from monstrous weapons AP-2, strikes AP-3, venom cannons both AP-3. Also Genestealer and Broodlord rending claws - their whole reputation is being able to tear through even terminator armor like it was tissue paper. -2AP is an insult.

Weapon changes: monster melee weapons: -3AP on Strike [except Haruspex and Toxicrene group attacks] Bone Sabres -3AP
-3AP for venom cannon, HVC, Genestealer and Broodlord claws/talons
-2AP for impaler cannon, make it strength 6 or 7, 2 damage, 3+ to hit
Electroshock cannon: Devastating Wounds keyword, 3 shots, 3+ to hit

Profile changes: Hive Tyrants +2W, Swarmlord +6W, re-roll 1s on invuln when Engaged, Tervigon join Termagants

Points changes:
Haruspex: 140
Screamer-Killer: 140
Toxicrene: 140
Maleceptor: 140
Hive Tyrant (walking): 170
Winged hive tyrant: 150 (maybe 160)
Swarmlord: 200-225 (with profile changes)
Harpy: 135
Hive Crone: 145
Tervigon: 160
Tyrannofex: 170
Venomthropes: 20ppm
Tyranid Warriors: 25ppm
Genestealers: 13ppm


I'd decrease points almost across the board for the bigger bugs - regular Carnifex and the Haruspex are fair where they are (increase Haruspex to 140), so are regular Termagants, but basically everything else is grossly overcosted for their lackluster profiles. Screamer Killer should be 140, same with Toxicrene and Maleceptor. Hive Tyrant should be 170, winged should be 150. Swarmlord should be MAYBE 200, but with his Epic Hero keyword and lack of significant ranged weapons, even as a synergy character I can't justify taking him over cheaper units that will have greater utility/offensive output. Harpy and Hive Crone should be 135 and 145. Tyrannofex and Tervigon should be 160-170, and Tervigon should be able to join a brood of Termagants. Hive guard should be 25ppm or be given 3+ to hit. Venomthropes should be 20ppm with how little they offer now that they can't help monsters, winged tyranid Prime should be 70, but they really need to bring Shrikes back to make it worth taking. Warriors need to be 25ppm or otherwise receive significant stat boosts to be actually good. Genestealers need to be 13-15ppm, as even with 2 Wounds the lack of any ranged weapons, lower armor, and low AP do NOT justify them being more expensive than tactical marines who have access to an array of ranged weapons, a 3+ save, and 2 Wounds.

[infornography]

Yeah, our points are all over the place. Internal balance is terrible in our index. Though from what I have heard about other factions, it is largely the same.