New Player after 14 year Hiatus 2000 point list

[pr3mium]

I'm just getting back into the game after 14 years of not playing.  A LOT had changed.  I have a friend who has shown me the ropes and played 2 games with his nids, though we kept it as simple as possible for me to get the flow down better.  I'm in the middle of building my first 2000 point list, and eventually buying a lot.  My friend has a lot extra he is going to help me with, along with painting as he likes that aspect a lot.

Anyway, after SO much research, and still learning about many things, this is the current list I have come up with.  This was all set up on BattleScribe app and then I'm just typing it out on my computer.



2000 points on the dot used

Hive Fleet:  Jormungandr

HQ:

Hive Tyrant (210 pts):  Shardgullet, Warlord Trait Alien Cunning, Adrenal Glands, Hive Mind Discipline Catalyst and Paroxysm

Nerothrope (100 pts):  Hive Mind Discipline Catalyst and Neuroparasite

Tervigon (225 pts):  Adrenal Glands, Hive Mind Discipline Neuroparasite (might spend 1 cp for Relic Pathogensis)


Troops:

Tyranid Warriors x6 (205 pts):  Adrenal Glands, 2 Venom Cannons

Tyranid Warriors x6 (205 pts):  Adrenal Glands, 2 Venom Cannons


Elites:

Pyrovores x3 (120 pts)

Tyrant Guard x3 (135 pts):  Adrenal Glands (deployed with Hive Tyrant)

Zoanthropes x3 (150pts):  Hive Mind Discipline Catalyst (deployed with Neurothrope so he won't count as an HQ slot)


Heavy Support:
Carnifex x3 (435 pts):  Adaptive Psysiologies Synaptic Enhancement, 4x Deathspitters with Slimer Maggots


Flyer:

Harpy (230 pts):  Adaptive Physiologies Dermic Symbiosis and 2x Heavy Venom Cannon




I need to go over strategems as I really haven't done that yet and maybe use more CP to start.  Let me know if something doesn't work, or what would look better.  Thank you.  I was thinking of taking something out so I can add a 10 man squad of Termagants, therefore using Tervigon to start the game with 20.  But In don't know what at this point.

[dkng]

Neuro will always take the HQ slot. Zoans can be NFO while you take the Neuro as can Tyrant Guard if you take the Hive Tyrant.
Pathogenesis will do close to nothing for the Tervigon as she has only Stingers to shoot with. Speaking about Tervigon - fielding her without Termagant screen is a bit risky - she can be shot off the table quite easily while making her way up the board. And if you want to go this way go big or go home - 30 Termas or no Termas.
Neuroparasite is a niche spell that won't do too much most of the time. Better give Neuro (our best caster) Onslaught and Catalyst as those two you want to use most of the time and then distribute Horror, Scream and Paroxysm between the other casters. You can give Neuroparasite to Zoans so they can do something when there is nothing in the line of sight for Smite.
Alien Cunning on the Tyrant is a waste imo - with all the monsters you have it's better to take Territorial adaptive to make all of them ObSec.
As for Relics and traits consider the following: Resonance Barb and/or Synaptic Tendrils for the Neuro, MawClaws and/or Heightened Senses for Tervi, Adaptive Biology for the Tyrant. Tendrils for Neuro and both options for Tervi really boost their respective strenghts.

[pr3mium]

Sorry, I know Neuro is still an HQ, but it doesn't count as taking up an HQ slot, correct?

Would you recommend taking out a Tyranid Warrior squad for the Termagants? To be honest when I finalized my list I thought I had a unit of 10 in this list, until I started to copy it all down on this forum and realized I was mistaken. Plan was to have 20 in front of the Tervigon with her other ability.  Or maybe take out the Pyrovores?

If I go with Territortial adaptive, I would lose Tuneel Networks, correct? Or only that blast rule change in the adaptive?

[piersonsmuppet]

Only the blast adaptive trait, which is terrible so good riddance.

Tyrant can also be run with Heightened Senses, and is very good in Jorm.

Warriors are okay as 6-mans; they are better as 5 to keep the -1 damage strat at 1 CP or 9 to just be a brick.

You need a 3rd troop to run 3 HQs, Patrol only supports 2 HQ slots. The third troop should be a 30x term squad if running a tervigon.

You can only put one of each physiology on a single monster, so only one Carnifex in the unit can be given synapse. Carnifex are better as HVC hybrid (Talons and Claws both have merits) or Screamer Killers.

[pr3mium]

Good to know. Thank you.

I'm still thinking how I want to go about adding the term squad. Probably take away the Pyrovores. But even then that's not a 30 man squad. Take away the physiologies on 2 Carnifexes and switch the Warriors to 5-mans and I can get around 20?

About physiology, you're saying only one Carnifex can have Synapse? You can't add it onto each one individually? Or since they start as 1 unit, you only need to spend points for it once?

[Aux]

I agree with the 9 man Tyranid Warrior squad and maybe a mini 3 man Warrior squad to handle your backfield objectives

Enhanced Senses, Heavy Venom Cannon, Scything Talons is great. I run 2 in a lot of lists. A few with a harpy is a good amount of Venom Cannons alongside Shargullet which is a bonkers weapon

To keep the Tervigon you need to add bodies to your army. You can drop the Pyrovores for 25~ Termagants about

[No One]

pr3mium said:

About physiology, you're saying only one Carnifex can have Synapse? You can't add it onto each one individually? Or since they start as 1 unit, you only need to spend points for it once?

Physiologies are model by model and you can only have one of each physiology in your army. So it's pretty bad with fexes tbh.

Also dropping AG on the tyrant/terv is probably best: not terrible, but expensive for what they do and a big gaunt screen for a terv is far more important.

[piersonsmuppet]

Synapse is decent on a fex in Levi; permanent transhuman and -1D make it pretty durable and it is good for Synaptic Insight since it can gain tallies in multiple phases.

[pr3mium]

So I've changed the list and hopefully the copied text comes out right from BattleScribe.

This allows me to get 25 Gants. But I could lower them and add something somewhere else maybe?


++ Unbound Army (Faction) (Tyranids) [100 PL, -2CP, 2,000pts] ++

+ Configuration +

[Reference] Biomorphologies
. Feed: Exoskeletal Stabilisation, Relentless Hunger, Stabilising Membranes, Unstoppable Swarm, Wreathed in the Shadow
. Hunt: Adrenalised Onslaught, Ambush Predators, Augmented Ferocity, Heightened Reflexes, Synaptic Goading
. Lurk: Exoskeletal Reinforcement, Naturalised Camouflage, Synaptic Ganglia, Territorial Instincts, Unfeeling Resilience

[Reference] Detachment Abilities

[Reference] Discipline: Hive Mind: Smite

Battle Size: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost

Gametype: Open

Hive Fleet: (Lurk) Territorial Instincts, Jormungandr, Splinter Fleet

+ Stratagems +

Hive Predator [-1CP]: Extra Warlord Trait

Rarefied Enhancements [-1CP]: Extra Bio-artefact

+ HQ +

Hive Tyrant [9 PL, 195pts]: 2x Monstrous Scything Talon, Heavy Venom Cannon, Power: Catalyst, Power: Paroxysm, Power: Smite, Relic: Shardgullet, Warlord, Warlord Trait: Adaptive Biology

Neurothrope [5 PL, 100pts]: Power: Catalyst, Power: Lurking Maws, Power: Onslaught, Power: Smite
. Relic: Resonance Barb: Power: Paroxysm

Tervigon [11 PL, 215pts]: Massive Scything Talons, Power: Lurking Maws, Power: Neuroparasite, Power: Smite, Warlord Trait: Synaptic Tendrils

+ Troops +

Termagants [12 PL, 175pts]: Fleshborer, 25x Termagant

Tyranid Warriors [12 PL, 300pts]: Adrenal Glands
. Tyranid Warrior: Lash Whip and Bonesword, Venom Cannon
. Tyranid Warrior: Lash Whip and Bonesword, Venom Cannon
. Tyranid Warrior: Lash Whip and Bonesword, Venom Cannon
. Tyranid Warrior: Devourer, Lash Whip and Bonesword
. Tyranid Warrior: Devourer, Lash Whip and Bonesword
. Tyranid Warrior: Devourer, Lash Whip and Bonesword
. Tyranid Warrior: Devourer, Lash Whip and Bonesword
. Tyranid Warrior: Devourer, Lash Whip and Bonesword
. Tyranid Warrior: Devourer, Lash Whip and Bonesword

Tyranid Warriors [4 PL, 95pts]
. Tyranid Warrior: Lash Whip and Bonesword, Venom Cannon
. Tyranid Warrior: Devourer, Lash Whip and Bonesword
. Tyranid Warrior: Devourer, Lash Whip and Bonesword

+ Elites +

Tyrant Guard [8 PL, 135pts]: Adrenal Glands
. 3x Tyrant Guard (Scything): 3x Two Rending Claws, 3x Two Scything Talons

Zoanthropes [7 PL, 150pts]: Power: Lurking Maws, Power: Neuroparasite, Power: Smite, 3x Zoanthrope

+ Heavy Support +

Carnifexes [21 PL, 405pts]
. Carnifex: Two Carnifex Crushing Claws, Two Deathspitters with Slimer Maggots
. Carnifex: Two Carnifex Crushing Claws, Two Deathspitters with Slimer Maggots
. Carnifex: Two Carnifex Crushing Claws, Two Deathspitters with Slimer Maggots

+ Flyer +

Harpy [11 PL, 230pts]: 2x Heavy Venom Cannon, Adaptive Physiology: Dermic Symbiosis, Show Spore Mine Rules

++ Total: [100 PL, -2CP, 2,000pts] ++

Created with BattleScribe

[piersonsmuppet]

You could drop HVC for STC on the Harpy to gain 4 terms. I personally find HVC to be a bit pricy for what they do on the Harpy, and have had good success with STC Harpies. Most competitive lists that place high usually favor STC harpies as well, though many forum members here have found good success with HVC. The swap to a STC harpy would work better if the Carnifex all had HVC (strongly recommend to do anyway).

Edit: Synaptic Tendrils is terrible on the Tervigon. Maw Claws is a great relic for the tervigon, I’d put that on instead.

[No One]

Synaptic tendrils is garbage on terv generally and almost literally useless in the list. As above, HVC>any other gun on the fexes, and ideally find the points for enhanced senses as well (better use for 30 pts than 4 terms). Similarly boneswords>scy tals on the tyrant, dual bonesword>lash whip+bonesword and deathspitters>devs on the warriors.

piersonsmuppet said:

Most competitive lists that place high usually favor STC harpies as well

I mean, of the last 3 weeks Goonhammer, only two lists (that placed high enough for the full list to be displayed, of which there were many more than two...) had harpies, and one was double SC and the other double HVC. So...I think either could work depending on list, but in general probably for single harpy HVC is better, double SC (but unless Levi for dermic+Synapse, double harpy seems eh).

[piersonsmuppet]

Sept 15, 2022 3:17:22 GMT No One said:

I mean, of the last 3 weeks Goonhammer, only two lists (that placed high enough for the full list to be displayed, of which there were many more than two...) had harpies, and one was double SC and the other double HVC. So...I think either could work depending on list, but in general probably for single harpy HVC is better, double SC (but unless Levi for dermic+Synapse, double harpy seems eh).

Looking back over the last 30 days, HVC-STC was actually in favor of HVC 4-2.

HVC were favored in warrior spam lists. STC slotted into lists that took Shardgullet or other heavy shooting.

[dkng]

Sept 14, 2022 21:29:05 GMT pr3mium said:

Sorry, I know Neuro is still an HQ, but it doesn't count as taking up an HQ slot, correct?

No.

When you take Zoanthropes and a Neurothrope, Zoans do not count towards Elites limit i.e. can be taken as NFO - No Force Org (one unit of Zoans per detachment for each Neuro). Neuro will always take the slot for HQ sadly. The only HQs that can be taken as NFO are Tyranid Prime and Broodlord if you take Warriors and Genestealers respectively.

[trashcan01]

I would think twice about loadout for the Carnifexes, as Heavy Venom Cannon is simply too good to pass in this edition.