Reaper question

[bugsy]

Will the reaper of obliterax stop a dreadnought or any other unit with similar ability, from reducing the damage? The rule says that the target ”cannot use any rules to ignore the wounds it loses”.

[Master Chief]

May 25, 2022 21:46:02 GMT bugsy said:

Will the reaper of obliterax stop a dreadnought or any other unit with similar ability, from reducing the damage? The rule says that the target ”cannot use any rules to ignore the wounds it loses”.

Nope, the Damage of each single attack will become 2, but then it cannot be saved by amy kind of Feel no Pain or similar.

But the damage of every hit will still be 2 instead of 3, and first you determine the damage, and then a model loses wounds.

[yoritomo]

May 25, 2022 22:17:00 GMT Master Chief said:

May 25, 2022 21:46:02 GMT bugsy said:

Will the reaper of obliterax stop a dreadnought or any other unit with similar ability, from reducing the damage? The rule says that the target ”cannot use any rules to ignore the wounds it loses”.

Nope, the Damage of each single attack will become 2, but then it cannot be saved by amy kind of Feel no Pain or similar.

But the damage of every hit will still be 2 instead of 3, and first you determine the damage, and then a model loses wounds.

Is that in an FAQ? Otherwise the Attacker's Priority rules from the Rare Rules section of the rulebook would apply.


Since the attacker and defender both have rules regarding wounds (reducing damage is another way to ignore wounds) the attacker's rules take priority. This means that the reaper would stop the -1 damage.

[kazetanade]

Ignoring wounds is a specific wording used to represent feel no pains, so attacker defender priority doesn't come into play. It'll be 2D and a MW for every wound, can't take fnp saves after the saving throw.

[piersonsmuppet]

Yea, FnPs and phase limits are the only rules reaper affects iirc.

[bugsy]

Thanks for the clarifications. I thought it was a little bit since ”wound” is used for both being wounded (the roll) and actually taking wounds through damage. For example, is fnp ignoring wounds or ignoring part of the damage?

[xtztxtxz]

pg 365 of the main rulebook: "If a rule states that a model does not lose a wound, it is classified as ignoring that wound. "

FNP-like rolls and wound caps per phase use a variation this wording, i.e. "wounds are not lost". So they are affected by Reaper.

However damage reduction abilities will say something like "subtract 1 from the Damage characteristic of that attack" and don't mention "ignoring" wounds.

[infornography]

Damage reduction happens earlier in the process than wounds are taken. The effect is similar but timing matters. I agree with the others, damage reduction works against the reaper since the reaper only prevents wound ignoring, not damage reduction.

[dkng]

Sooo… with luck you can kill Ghazzy with just the Tyrant in two phases? 3 mortals on charge with the strat, two normal Monstrous Bonesword hits going through and, if 5 wound rolls were successful - 12 wounds and that’s it?

[PumpkinHead]

You should be able to kill Ghazz in one round. 1cp to do mortal on the charge, 1cp for +d3 attacks, 1 cp to reroll wounds, plus 5 reaper attacks. On average he should die.

[patata]

May 26, 2022 1:24:56 GMT yoritomo said:

May 25, 2022 22:17:00 GMT Master Chief said:

Nope, the Damage of each single attack will become 2, but then it cannot be saved by amy kind of Feel no Pain or similar.

But the damage of every hit will still be 2 instead of 3, and first you determine the damage, and then a model loses wounds.

Is that in an FAQ? Otherwise the Attacker's Priority rules from the Rare Rules section of the rulebook would apply.


Since the attacker and defender both have rules regarding wounds (reducing damage is another way to ignore wounds) the attacker's rules take priority. This means that the reaper would stop the -1 damage.

Actually,that effect reduces the damage of the weapon directly,so it's not just autosaving 1 damage

[N.I.B.]

Yeah damage reduction =/= ignoring wounds.

[piersonsmuppet]

May 26, 2022 14:07:10 GMT dkng said:

Sooo… with luck you can kill Ghazzy with just the Tyrant in two phases? 3 mortals on charge with the strat, two normal Monstrous Bonesword hits going through and, if 5 wound rolls were successful - 12 wounds and that’s it?

One phase is usually enough. With +d3A and rr wounds (2CP), the tyrant avgs 3 failed saves and 6 MWs. Though, popping trampling charge is probably a good idea to ensure the kill.

[dkng]

May 26, 2022 21:57:51 GMT piersonsmuppet said:

May 26, 2022 14:07:10 GMT dkng said:

Sooo… with luck you can kill Ghazzy with just the Tyrant in two phases? 3 mortals on charge with the strat, two normal Monstrous Bonesword hits going through and, if 5 wound rolls were successful - 12 wounds and that’s it?

One phase is usually enough. With +d3A and rr wounds (2CP), the tyrant avgs 3 failed saves and 6 MWs. Though, popping trampling charge is probably a good idea to ensure the kill.

3 failed saves won’t do as Ghaz can’t take more than 4 wounds per phase… with MB’s 3 dmg, 2 failed saves is all you need.

[Bohxim]

May 27, 2022 9:23:20 GMT dkng said:

May 26, 2022 21:57:51 GMT piersonsmuppet said:

One phase is usually enough. With +d3A and rr wounds (2CP), the tyrant avgs 3 failed saves and 6 MWs. Though, popping trampling charge is probably a good idea to ensure the kill.

3 failed saves won’t do as Ghaz can’t take more than 4 wounds per phase… with MB’s 3 dmg, 2 failed saves is all you need.

I think that's the discussion regarding reaper, to ignore the dmg cap per phase, since it is considered ignoring wounds