Team tournament 2000p Jormundaggar

[wormlord666]

I am returningvto nids from gsc and have a teamevent coming up. Thinking of a wall of obsec, hardhitting resllient monsters.
Time is short so I need help in trimming the list.

+ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Tyranids) [107 PL, 2,000pts, 10CP] ++

+ Configuration +

Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost

Hive Fleet: Jormungandr

+ Stratagems +

Hive Predator [-1CP]: Extra Warlord Trait

Rarefied Enhancements [-1CP]: Extra Bio-artefact

+ HQ +

Neurothrope [5 PL, 100pts]: Power: Catalyst, Power: Onslaught, Warlord, Warlord Trait: Synaptic Tendrils
. Relic: Resonance Barb: Power: Catalyst

Winged Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 210pts]: Adrenal Glands, Lash Whip and Monstrous Bonesword, Power: Paroxysm, Power: The Horror, Prehensile Pincer Tail, Relic: The Reaper of Obilterax, Toxin Sacs, Tyrant Talons, Warlord Trait: Adaptive Biology

+ Troops +

Gargoyles [4 PL, 80pts]
. 10x Gargoyle: 10x Fleshborer

Tyranid Warriors [4 PL, 80pts]
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Dual Boneswords, Venom Cannon

Tyranid Warriors [4 PL, 80pts]
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Dual Boneswords, Venom Cannon

Tyranid Warriors [8 PL, 130pts]
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Lash Whip and Bonesword, Venom Cannon
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Devourer, Dual Boneswords

+ Elites +

Maleceptor [9 PL, 170pts]: Massive Scything Talons, Power: Lurking Maws, Power: Neuroparasite, Power: Psychic Scream

Venomthropes [5 PL, 105pts]
. 3x Venomthrope: 3x Toxic Lashes

Zoanthropes [7 PL, 150pts]: Power: Lurking Maws, Power: Psychic Scream, 3x Zoanthrope

+ Heavy Support +

Carnifexes [7 PL, 130pts]
. Carnifex: Enhanced Senses, 2x Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms

Carnifexes [21 PL, 375pts]
. Carnifex: Bone Mace, Enhanced Senses, Heavy Venom Cannon, Two Carnifex Scything Talons
. Carnifex: Bone Mace, Enhanced Senses, Heavy Venom Cannon, Two Carnifex Scything Talons
. Carnifex: Bone Mace, Enhanced Senses, Heavy Venom Cannon, Two Carnifex Scything Talons

Exocrine [11 PL, 195pts]: Adaptive Physiology: Enraged Reserves, Bio-plasmic Cannon, Powerful Limbs

+ Flyer +

Harpy [11 PL, 195pts]: 2x Heavy Venom Cannon, Adaptive Physiology: Dermic Symbiosis, Scything Wings, Stinger Salvoes



The dakkafex is a test and can be in jormdeep for clearing eldar, other nids, screens and such. There is potential for TTL, stranglehold, psychic, banners, and many of the killy ones.

Will it work? Please help me fix any obvious flaws.

[piersonsmuppet]

My opinion:

—Drop—
Dakkafex
Bonemaces
VCs
Enraged Reserves
TS on Tyrant

—Add—
CCs to the fexes
make all the warriors 5-man w/ AG
Voracious on the Exo

[dkng]

My opinion:

Drop Mal and Venoms for a Patrol with Shardgullet Tyrant and more Warriors.

[piersonsmuppet]

May 15, 2022 13:03:32 GMT dkng said:

My opinion:

Drop Mal and Venoms for a Patrol with Shardgullet Tyrant and more Warriors.

That would be good advice for a Leviathan list, but Jorm does gain a good bit of survivability from Mal/Venoms. Mal will also be good for drawing fire from Carnifex/Warriors/Tyrant/Exo (maybe Harpy too) while still having decent MW output and 5-model Obsec if not quickly dealt with.

[dkng]

May 15, 2022 15:59:04 GMT piersonsmuppet said:

May 15, 2022 13:03:32 GMT dkng said:

My opinion:

Drop Mal and Venoms for a Patrol with Shardgullet Tyrant and more Warriors.

Mal will also be good for drawing fire from Carnifex/Warriors/Tyrant/Exo (maybe Harpy too) while still having decent MW output and 5-model Obsec if not quickly dealt with.

The exact same thing can be said about the Tyrant. Tbh it’s even better for about the same cost - it has better CC and ranged output, can be buffed with extra cast, can be screened with TGs, hands out WofHM... Nowadays the real selling points of Mal are SI and Diffusion Aura - a tad unreliable and only 6”. Edit: Tyrant is also an ObSec monster.

Venoms doubling up on the -1 to hit sure can be useful but Jorm needs them the least of all fleets.

[piersonsmuppet]

May 15, 2022 20:18:41 GMT dkng said:

The exact same thing can be said about the Tyrant. Tbh it’s even better for about the same cost - it has better CC and ranged output, can be buffed with extra cast, can be screened with TGs, hands out WofHM... Nowadays the real selling points of Mal are SI and Diffusion Aura - a tad unreliable and only 6”. Edit: Tyrant is also an ObSec monster.

Venoms doubling up on the -1 to hit sure can be useful but Jorm needs them the least of all fleets.

No, the shardgullet Tyrant would be the highest priority target to take down, the opponent loses nothing shooting at it (that’s how a distraction works). Also OPs list has no TG, so those benefits are moot without more significant changes. There are plenty of +1 to-hit buffs for the venoms to cancel out, and venoms will still allow units to receive a -1 to-hit when shot at inside of Jorms benefits range (which people will try to get inside of).

[dkng]

Oh sorry, I forgot you are always right. Over and out.

[wormlord666]

Thanks for the input guys. I will try this list (with minor fixes) and keep your inputs in mind. The HT patrol is an option. But then the harpy was my idea to drop thinking I need all mw I can get if people comes close, but I will consider your input.

[wormlord666]

I am dropping the venomthropes. With -1 from dense cover from Jormtrait I can drop them and get more warriors and put AG on them. I need them upfield to mess around while the wall of death in shape of smites and venomcannons gets up the board.

[yoritomo]

May 15, 2022 13:03:32 GMT dkng said:

My opinion:

Drop Mal and Venoms for a Patrol with Shardgullet Tyrant and more Warriors.

This isn't a bad suggestion and it could work. The problem I have with it is that it just eats up too many command points. The patrol detachment is two command points. The extra extra relic is a command point. The tyrant is going to be a fire magnet like piersonsmuppet said, so you may have to Jorm him in. That's another command point. These all add up.

I am with you on the venoms. You're already getting the same benefit from Jorm, so redundant bonus is redundant. I can go either way on the Mal. I don't like how close he has to get to be useful, but he dose do work there's no denying that. I'd run the list with him and see how it goes. If he isn't for you then consider swapping him out.

I'm not a fan of the bone mace. The only reason to take it is if you have points left over and no other place to spend them. If this is the case you did a great job.

Taking out the venoms and bone maces gives you 120 points. That's enough for another one of your carnifex with venom cannon. I like the extra firepower and target saturation better than the redundant -1 to hit.

If you don't have another carnifex then I'd drop enraged reserves on your exo and a warrior. That should get you enough points for two more minimum sized warrior squads. You can use them to max out your troop slots or distribute them to make all your warrior squads 5 man units. I would play them both to see which one you like better. The 5 man squads are more durable and hit harder in assault, but two extra venom cannons is nothing to sneeze at either.


Those are my thoughts. Overall the list is fine. Go out and play some games with it and see what works for you.

[wormlord666]

This is what I ended up submitting. I have played a few games and it feels solid. Good in the primary mission and high dmg output. I hope it will work in the mirror. Most other nids are Leviathan style. Lots of warriors. I hope my HVC will work in to that, but I have yet to test.
I also wonder about the Tau matchup. They do not like -1 but I do not lite railguns and my HVC do not like drones. The eldar, Hail of doom, seems rough for us.


++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Tyranids) [109 PL, 2,000pts, 10CP] ++

+ Configuration +

Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost

Hive Fleet: Jormungandr

+ Stratagems +

Hive Predator [-1CP]: Extra Warlord Trait

Rarefied Enhancements [-1CP]: Extra Bio-artefact

+ HQ +

Neurothrope [5 PL, 100pts]: Power: Onslaught, Power: The Horror, Warlord, Warlord Trait: Synaptic Tendrils
. Relic: Resonance Barb: Power: Catalyst

Winged Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 205pts]: Adrenal Glands, Lash Whip and Monstrous Bonesword, Power: Neuroparasite, Power: Paroxysm, Prehensile Pincer Tail, Relic: The Reaper of Obilterax, Tyrant Talons, Warlord Trait: Adaptive Biology

+ Troops +

Gargoyles [4 PL, 80pts]
. 10x Gargoyle: 10x Fleshborer

Tyranid Warriors [4 PL, 80pts]
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Dual Boneswords, Venom Cannon
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords

Tyranid Warriors [8 PL, 130pts]
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Dual Boneswords, Venom Cannon
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords

Tyranid Warriors [8 PL, 130pts]
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Lash Whip and Bonesword, Venom Cannon
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords

Tyranid Warriors [4 PL, 80pts]
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Lash Whip and Bonesword, Venom Cannon
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords

+ Elites +

Maleceptor [9 PL, 170pts]: Massive Scything Talons, Power: Lurking Maws, Power: Neuroparasite, Power: Psychic Scream

Zoanthropes [7 PL, 150pts]: Power: Lurking Maws, Power: Neuroparasite, 3x Zoanthrope

+ Heavy Support +

Carnifexes [7 PL, 130pts]
. Carnifex: Enhanced Senses, 2x Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms

Carnifexes [21 PL, 365pts]
. Carnifex: Enhanced Senses, Heavy Venom Cannon, Two Carnifex Scything Talons
. Carnifex: Enhanced Senses, Heavy Venom Cannon, Two Carnifex Scything Talons
. Carnifex: Bone Mace, Enhanced Senses, Heavy Venom Cannon, Two Carnifex Scything Talons

Exocrine [10 PL, 185pts]: Adaptive Physiology: Voracious Ammunition, Bio-plasmic Cannon, Powerful Limbs

+ Flyer +

Harpy [11 PL, 195pts]: 2x Heavy Venom Cannon, Adaptive Physiology: Dermic Symbiosis, Scything Wings, Stinger Salvoes