Forgeworld fixed

[zimko]

www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/ZQVySDvesTJ913qx.pdf

They updated the keywords on the Forgeworld models. They also removed Instinctive Behaviour and changed the Death Throes to be similar to the codex.

[TheDeepestShadow]

Unfortunately they didn't update the Stone-Crusher datasheet to be in line with the other Carnifexes, #SadCrab.

[solemeis]

Wohoo! Glad that the update came through.

[dkng]

Their stats seem weak for the cost... at least compared to our non-FW stuff. Nothing new and fancy for Malanthrope. Fingers crossed this is just a patch and more changes are coming.

[zimko]

I doubt they're going to change the stats on forgeworld units this edition. The current book is a 9th edition book. We probably won't see any significant changes until 10th edition.

Unfortunately the raw stats on hierodules and the dima just don't stack up to the cost effectiveness of the new codex monsters.

[nameless]

Does this make any of the units worth using now, I wonder?

Scythed dule seems okay, but haruspex does similar with 65 points less and more attacks.

Barb dules guns are now outclassesed by HVC, though double shots (AoC is painful here), but a lot of points to invest.

Dimachaeron with synapse could be interesting, but still 290 points.

I do think, if you have the HQ slot, that the malanthrope is better than venoms but that does open you up to more assassination points.

[bigpig]

May 11, 2022 16:44:15 GMT nameless said:

Does this make any of the units worth using now, I wonder?

Scythed dule seems okay, but haruspex does similar with 65 points less and more attacks.

Barb dules guns are now outclassesed by HVC, though double shots (AoC is painful here), but a lot of points to invest.

Dimachaeron with synapse could be interesting, but still 290 points.

I do think, if you have the HQ slot, that the malanthrope is better than venoms but that does open you up to more assassination points.

I’m trying to put an “intentionally NOT leviathan goodstuff” list for a GT in a couple weeks. I considered the mal but I just don’t think the extra 45 points for the reduced footprint is worth it.

[nameless]

Good point on the footprint size might be better than synapse + non-targetable. And like, great, shoot at the venoms!

[tomb]

I soooo want a Dima to work. 

Dermic / Zoe buff..? Catalyst, Synapse + Leviathan? Onslaught, 3d6 charge. Fall back and charge. 

All good buffs to have on an 'ignores terrain' bug.

[TheDeepestShadow]

May 11, 2022 20:31:08 GMT tomb said:

I soooo want a Dima to work. 

Dermic / Zoe buff..? Catalyst, Synapse + Leviathan? Onslaught, 3d6 charge. Fall back and charge. 

All good buffs to have on an 'ignores terrain' bug.

IMO Kraken is the fleet to go with Dima due to Opportunistic Advance being as close to the Swarmy Slingshot of old that we're gonna get, and the Dima needs to get into melee ASAP. Just need a reliable Onslaughter.

[xtztxtxz]

May 11, 2022 21:18:12 GMT TheDeepestShadow said:

May 11, 2022 20:31:08 GMT tomb said:

I soooo want a Dima to work. 

Dermic / Zoe buff..? Catalyst, Synapse + Leviathan? Onslaught, 3d6 charge. Fall back and charge. 

All good buffs to have on an 'ignores terrain' bug.

IMO Kraken is the fleet to go with Dima due to Opportunistic Advance being as close to the Swarmy Slingshot of old that we're gonna get, and the Dima needs to get into melee ASAP. Just need a reliable Onslaughter.

Jormungandr is probably the safest way to deliver a Dima straight into combat. With Kraken you run the risk of going second and being stuck out in the open with a W18 monster, but Jorm can deep strike using the stratagem then potentially stack up to +4" on the charge range.

[TheDeepestShadow]

May 11, 2022 22:04:46 GMT xtztxtxz said:

May 11, 2022 21:18:12 GMT TheDeepestShadow said:

IMO Kraken is the fleet to go with Dima due to Opportunistic Advance being as close to the Swarmy Slingshot of old that we're gonna get, and the Dima needs to get into melee ASAP. Just need a reliable Onslaughter.

Jormungandr is probably the safest way to deliver a Dima straight into combat. With Kraken you run the risk of going second and being stuck out in the open with a W18 monster, but Jorm can deep strike using the stratagem then potentially stack up to +4" on the charge range.

Ah good point, I forgot that we can use the Jorm strat on monsters now, combined with Territorial Instincts could be fun.

[tomb]

Great suggestions, but do these buffs for the Dima outway the Levi defensive buffs?

[hivefleetkerrigan]

The dima would only be a wounds fail on a 1-2 in leviathan so I don't think it's a big advantage. The counter point is to give the dima the upgrade for synapse and then bring zoans for a 4++ with wounds failing on a 1-3.

[mrdodo]

I think the Malanthrope is okay, since its a character it can have the +3'' warlord trait, so the 9'' makes up for the smaller footprint a bit.

I would have played it if they didn't forget to give it the sporecaster keyword. (really no idea why it doesn't get this) Advance it up turn 1, from turn 2 use the spore clouds strategem to have a 15'' -1 to hit.