Jorm Trapdoor

[piersonsmuppet]

Hey, just throwing out a list I'm planning to try next. 910 pts start off the board, and another 395 pts joins them if you win the roll off for a devastating T2 drop. C&C welcome as I'm not 100% set on anything with it, but I've hit my limit for tuning it.


++Jorm Trapdoor 2000 9CP++

Tyranid Prime w/ LW, BS, VC, AG, Maw Claws, Guidance -- 90 [-1CP]

Neurothrope w/ WL, Barb -- 100

-- Smite, Lurking Maws, Catalyst, Paroxysm, Horror

10x Hormaguant -- 80

10x Hormaguant -- 80

9x Warriorw/ 3xVC, 3xLW, 6xDS, 6xDBS, AG-- 255

4x Zoanthrope -- 200

-- Smite, Lurking Maws, Neuroparasite

3x Ripper -- 45

3x Ripper -- 45

Parasite of Mortrex w/ Alien Cunning, Gestation Sac -- 80 [-2CP]

Tyrannofex w/ Acid Spray, Voracious -- 190

Exocrine -- 170

3x Carnifex w/ HVC, 2x CST, ES -- 360

Harpy w/ 2x HVC, Dermic -- 195

Tyrannocyte w/ Synapse -- 110


Tyrannofex and Carnifex get hit with Buried in Wait, and Exocrine is in the Tcyte. If winning the roll off, Harpy can just fly off the board if the opponent is well hidden and Zoans Encircle to position for T2 smites. If going second, Harpy or Zoans can fly off depending on if TTL is taken and oppoent's army.

Horms are included for 16" reach for objectives in the early turns for scoring stranglehold, Zoans are 4x to make TTL a better option (they don't die well when they skip half the opponent's turns), and rippers are there to screen and burrow for VP's late game. The rippers are the biggest thing I'm unsure on, as I really want to just take 3 Pyrovores solo for the points but I'd lose the burrowing fun.

Main secondaries are looking to be banners, strangle/engage/BEL, and TTL/grind. If I had gargoyles, I think I'd drop the rippers and do a 2/1 or 1/2 split with Horms for RND or Homers instead of banners.

[piersonsmuppet]

A second version when I realized that I forgot that I cut the Tyrant. I like that the Shardgullet Tyrant doesn't get turned off by chargers like the Exo, and I can fit in Deathleaper (he was 5pts too expensive in the other list). I'm not sure if this is better or worse, but I'd love to hear any opinions.

++Jorm Trapdoor 2000 8CP++
Flyrant w/ HVC, Shardgullet, Adaptive -- 205 [-2CP]
Tyranid Prime w/ LW, BS, VC, Guidance -- 85
Neurothrope w/ WL, Barb -- 100
-- Smite, Lurking Maws, Catalyst, Paroxysm, Horror
10x Hormaguant -- 80
10x Hormaguant -- 80
9x Warriorw/ 1xLW, 9xDS, 8xDBS, AG-- 240
4x Zoanthrope -- 200
-- Smite, Lurking Maws, Neuroparasite
3x Ripper -- 45
3x Ripper -- 45
Deathleaper w/ Alien Cunning -- 95 [-1CP]
Parasite of Mortrex w/ Gestation Sac -- 80 [-1CP]
Tyrannofex w/ Acid Spray, Voracious -- 190
3x Carnifex w/ HVC, 2x CST, ES -- 360
Harpy w/ 2x HVC, Dermic -- 195

[dkng]

If Neuro is the Warlord, shouldnt you pay 1 CP for Direct Guidance on the Prime?
Also, unless you’re playing Onslaught list you cannot give 3 WLTs to non-warlord chars.

[piersonsmuppet]

Apr 16, 2022 20:11:06 GMT dkng said:

If Neuro is the Warlord, shouldnt you pay 1 CP for Direct Guidance on the Prime?
Also, unless you’re playing Onslaught list you cannot give 3 WLTs to non-warlord chars.

Yes, that’s a copy paste error since that’s the WL 99% of the time in my other theory lists. WL in both is the Prime.

[lector27]

Always tinkering with Jormungandr lists, so love to see this! I think the second list may be stronger in including the Tyrant, and I think you’re right to cut the Tyrannocyte-Exocrine combo, I find these never worked as well as I wanted them to, though that was in the past..., but I do thinj there is a case for a list with the Exocrine instead, though I would consider forgetting about the Tyrannocyte and leaving it in the backfield - I find in running these kinds of lists it can become a weakness to overcommitt to the second wave deepstrike when some units dont actually want to be in that role - you’ll need something back there and it can provide some good deterrence against opponents counter-deepstrike (especially if you do have the first turn).

The other thing you might consider if you do go Exocrine instead of Tyrant would be to take the second list but swap Tyrant for Exocrine to buy you 35 pts, then drop the rippers and you have 125 pts for a Mawloc instead (if you have the model)

Or keep the rippers and shift some things around to give the Carnifexes Spore Cysts?

Anyways, cool list, hope it performs well!

[dkng]

I think the Parasite is a better candidate for Alien Cunning tbh.

[piersonsmuppet]

Apr 19, 2022 3:13:18 GMT lector27 said:

Always tinkering with Jormungandr lists, so love to see this! I think the second list may be stronger in including the Tyrant, and I think you’re right to cut the Tyrannocyte-Exocrine combo, I find these never worked as well as I wanted them to, though that was in the past..., but I do thinj there is a case for a list with the Exocrine instead, though I would consider forgetting about the Tyrannocyte and leaving it in the backfield - I find in running these kinds of lists it can become a weakness to overcommitt to the second wave deepstrike when some units dont actually want to be in that role - you’ll need something back there and it can provide some good deterrence against opponents counter-deepstrike (especially if you do have the first turn).

The other thing you might consider if you do go Exocrine instead of Tyrant would be to take the second list but swap Tyrant for Exocrine to buy you 35 pts, then drop the rippers and you have 125 pts for a Mawloc instead (if you have the model)

Or keep the rippers and shift some things around to give the Carnifexes Spore Cysts?

Anyways, cool list, hope it performs well!

I think the Tyrannocyte is worth it for the Exo, especially since it doesn't have Dermic. I find that most games it doesn't shoot until T2 at good targets anyway, so leaving it on the board just gives it a chance to be tabled.

I really haven't liked the Mawloc in my two games with it, having to show where it is popping up a turn prior has made it way too easy for my opponents to play around and dictate where it lands (the MWs do nothing).

Apr 19, 2022 10:46:01 GMT dkng said:

I think the Parasite is a better candidate for Alien Cunning tbh.

When not taking Deathleaper, sure. DL is more durable, sometimes can't even be shot when on Objectives, and can deepstrike >6" to make reclaiming a home Obj easier. I've liked Parasite for disruption and DL for the Obj game. DL without Alien Cunning doesn't do enough to warrant inclusion imo, and Parasite does great work even without Alien Cunning.

[garg]

I've been theory crafting with jorm beta strike armies too. The Pyrovores from underground look great, relatively cheap a real pain to take out in melee.

[piersonsmuppet]

Pyrovores are some of my favorite units in the codex, but I only love them in Kraken or Kronos. In other fleets, I think I'd only want to run them with SL so they can threaten Objs easier.

In Jorm, I don't think 1CP to hide a 90pt unit is anywhere near as efficient as 1CP to hide a 170+ pt unit. Ideally, I'd just run 2 units of HVC/CC Carnifex underground and 3x3 Pyrovores on the board to keep the opponent from screening out the Fexes. I don't have the models for that though.

More realistically, using Jorm to deep strike Tyrannofex is a better option than Pyros since Pyros can Advance and shoot and are more likely to have the -1 to-hit from Jorm's Trait. Pyros can also just use a Tyrannocyte to get into position and come with the added benefit of deep striking 2 units for the price of 1.