Balance updates: Hive guards now even worse.

[jesses]

This has barely any affect on Impaler Hive Guard whatsoever. Hive Guard ignore "any or all" hit roll and ballistic skill modifiers. The only part of this that affects them is the +1 to armour saves.

If anything this is a benefit for them, as now the most common ways of killing them took a hit (still not enough to make me take Impalers, but Shockcannons may see play).

[dkng]

For me the Guard bonus seems kinda similar to what 'Nids got a few months back - Crushing Stampede. Something juicy to pave the way before the new Codex.
Something like
- Hey look what Astra Militarum got!
- Astra what?
- Once upon a time they were called Imperial Guard and they were cool and playable
- Ahhhh yesss... I was there... five thousands years ago
- They're back and we can start buying minatures now instead of waiting for the Codex leak as that would clog up GW's supply lines, you know?

[gigasnail]

Apr 15, 2022 5:08:34 GMT trashcan01 said:

Apr 15, 2022 1:57:23 GMT gigasnail said:

whole lot of that (please do not swear) should have been stratagems. army wide autowounding on 6's to hit for guard. for free.

ok, buddy.

I'm fine with the Guard having that. They are so underpowered at the moment I find this reasonable. Humble lasgun is back, boys!

except it's not just lasguns, it's your whole army, and it's free. this is hella dumb. this and the ignores -1 AP for power armor should have been stratagems. that's literally what that (please do not swear) is for.

[jesses]

These changes seem like a huge win for Guard, but honestly I'm not even sure they are enough to make them playable in a competitive meta. It might swing a bit hard in a fluffy meta but that meta was busy being run into the ditch and lit on fire by Harlies and Custodes anyways sooooo.

I actually think these rule additions, as clumsily executed as they might be, are super healthy for the game. Way better than points decreases like in 8th, that just became a treadmill of cheaper and cheaper units.

[hiveoverall]

Regarding Armour of Con: Exocrine with ap-4 is now really tempting over ap-4 HVC

[niiai]

The IG update is fine. Slap on a band aid and call it a day. They have exstremly bad tournament results at the moment. They are probably very late in the codex line up.

While I am happy about the power armour update that says more about a bad design ohiloaofy of 9th. While I like 9th a lot they should try to design the codexes to be align with each other. But it seems they do not.

[dc0315]

Apr 15, 2022 8:58:18 GMT hiveoverall said:

Regarding Armour of Con: Exocrine with ap-4 is now really tempting over ap-4 HVC

just take a harpy with HVC, a tyrant with shardgullet, an exocrine at the back & be done with it.

[xtztxtxz]

Apr 15, 2022 5:08:34 GMT trashcan01 said:

Apr 15, 2022 1:57:23 GMT gigasnail said:

whole lot of that (please do not swear) should have been stratagems. army wide autowounding on 6's to hit for guard. for free.

ok, buddy.

I'm fine with the Guard having that. They are so underpowered at the moment I find this reasonable. Humble lasgun is back, boys!

Exactly. This rule for Guard is a temporary patch for their very dated 2017 codex, much in the same way Crusher was a shot in the arm for our 2017 codex.

I expect their next book will receive something similar but less far reaching, like a stratagem to do the same thing.

[Jbizzy]

Some math for how the new Space Marine armor rules.

[purestrain]

In a meta sense it doesnt matter much to us, our mortal wound generation is pretty tasty and our truly effective weapons against them are ap-3/4 anyhow

[dkng]

Thankfully Nids can do a ton of MWs and slap well in CC. Shame about Horms and Fleshborer Termas - I was starting to like them.

[piersonsmuppet]

Apr 15, 2022 17:45:26 GMT dkng said:

Thankfully Nids can do a ton of MWs and slap well in CC. Shame about Horms and Fleshborer Termas - I was starting to like them.

Horms are still great in Kraken, Jorm, and Gorgon. They retain pushing most things to a 4+ Sv in the first two, and can slap out MWs in the last.

[dkng]

Apr 15, 2022 18:51:39 GMT piersonsmuppet said:

Apr 15, 2022 17:45:26 GMT dkng said:

Thankfully Nids can do a ton of MWs and slap well in CC. Shame about Horms and Fleshborer Termas - I was starting to like them.

Horms are still great in Kraken, Jorm, and Gorgon. They retain pushing most things to a 4+ Sv in the first two, and can slap out MWs in the last.

Dont get me wrong, they are still overall fantastic, just not as fantastic as they were against at least half the meta

[piersonsmuppet]

The entire codex minus Shardgullet is in the same boat...

[niiai]

S5 gun on little dude stil wounds on 3+.