Lictor/Deathleaper deployment.

[dc0315]

So i know theyve always been deepstrikers but hear me out.

Kraken.

Lictor 10"+2" Tervi SI+ 8"Opportunistic Advance Strat means it moves 20". Then pheromone trail and everyone charging anything within a 6" radius of it gets +2" to charge, including himself, +3" if it has adrenal glands. And on a 3d6 if you shot the unit with a synapse unit.

Would also work great for a trygon/prime esp if the prime has The passenger relic for +4" or if you really wanna hurt 2w models, Searhive!

Thoughts?

Thoughts?

[nbmraptor]

Could be pretty good if you plan around it. Might also catch opponents off guard as they might not be expecting it. It will require proper positioning and planning though (but I see that as a bonus as well, makes the game more fun)

[zimko]

I'm honestly considering having Deathleaper just walking up the board with my other units. Having a deadly character that turns off offensive and defensive stratagems is a nice thing to have tucked into the middle of the psychic deathball (Maleceptor, Neurothrope and Zoanthropes) and/or Warriors. He doesn't need to be alpha striking every game.

[nameless]

I'm liking the idea of 5 warriors + DL in a pod

[dc0315]

Apr 5, 2022 16:24:11 GMT nameless said:

I'm liking the idea of 5 warriors + DL in a pod

yeah but then you are 9" away and need to get the charge.

Also, the topic is about not deep striking DL or Lictors however deploying them on the table during deployment and sprinting them up the board

[niiai]

I have considered looking for units that can deepstrike for the 'behind enemy lines' or what ever that secondary is called. Lictors might fit in there.

I have also considering waking up the Deathleaper. What is fun about that is that the leaper get look out sir. And this can hide behind other units.

[piersonsmuppet]

Another point to starting DL on the board is the ability to HI through 2” coherency and turn off offensive stratagems. Would like it mor if DL had access to 6” HI though.

[nameless]

Apr 5, 2022 19:19:20 GMT dc0315 said:

Apr 5, 2022 16:24:11 GMT nameless said:

I'm liking the idea of 5 warriors + DL in a pod

yeah but then you are 9" away and need to get the charge.

Also, the topic is about not deep striking DL or Lictors however deploying them on the table during deployment and sprinting them up the board

The topic is about getting them into combat on T1. This is an option just like starting them on the board is. Not sure why you need to be combative about this. It's all the same topic.

At any rate, there are multiple ways to make the charge easier with that little combo that doesn't require running kraken and can be considered at the same time.

[piersonsmuppet]

Apr 6, 2022 23:36:49 GMT nameless said:

The topic is about getting them into combat on T1. This is an option just like starting them on the board is. Not sure why you need to be combative about this. It's all the same topic.

At any rate, there are multiple ways to make the charge easier with that little combo that doesn't require running kraken and can be considered at the same time.

OP mentioned helping Tyrgons charge from deepstrike, looked more like the goal was to discuss DL's ability to help guarantee T2 charges.

I'm starting to think DL is better on the board than deep strike. I've tried plain deep strike and I've tried the Tyrannocyte trick, both were okay. I've gotten more use out of DL the turn after it enters the board, than the turn it enters. Speeding up DL time to effective to the same as the Tyrannocyte drop without the high risk or extra point cost seems like it will help get more out of DL's abilities.

[joysan76]

if you want to charge in turn 1 using the tyranocyte

we can remember that we can use shard lure to roll 3d6 for charges, if your biofleet adaptive trait is not mandatory and you can take it, you may change it for +1 to charge

in this way you start from 9" you shoot with warriors, use shard lure to roll 3d6 you can start charging with lictor/deathleaper (so you can also reroll the charge) and supposing it succeed if you think to really need it you may use also the pheromoic trail so your warriors would charge by the best of 3d6 +1 (hyperadaptve trat) +2 (pheromonic trail)

[dkng]

Are we sure that Pheromone Trail works for the Lictor himself (itself?)?

[trashcan01]

Apr 7, 2022 9:25:47 GMT dkng said:

Are we sure that Pheromone Trail works for the Lictor himself (itself?)?

Yes. Once the stratagem pops, it includes (all) "friendly <HIVE FLEET> units" that declare a charge against the target unit. No mention that it doesn't affect the Lictor.

[dkng]

Apr 7, 2022 11:39:58 GMT trashcan01 said:

Apr 7, 2022 9:25:47 GMT dkng said:

Are we sure that Pheromone Trail works for the Lictor himself (itself?)?

Yes. Once the stratagem pops, it includes (all) "friendly <HIVE FLEET> units" that declare a charge against the target unit. No mention that it doesn't affect the Lictor.

Allright. I remember the rule that Auras affect the „aura emitting” model but can’t remember if a model is a friendly model of itself (if that makes any sense).

Edit: here it is:

UNITS
Models move and fight in units. A unit can have one or more models chosen from a single datasheet. All units in the same army are friendly units, and all models in the same army are friendly models. All units in your opponent’s army are enemy units, and all models in your opponent’s army are enemy models. If a rule affects ‘units’ or ‘models’ without specifying that they are friendly or enemy, then it affects either ‘all units’ or ‘all models’, regardless of whose army they are in.

[LordPathos]

The enemy unit has to be within 6" of the Lictor. Or in this case, the Deathleaper.

[dc0315]

Apr 7, 2022 11:39:58 GMT trashcan01 said:

Apr 7, 2022 9:25:47 GMT dkng said:

Are we sure that Pheromone Trail works for the Lictor himself (itself?)?

Yes. Once the stratagem pops, it includes (all) "friendly <HIVE FLEET> units" that declare a charge against the target unit. No mention that it doesn't affect the Lictor.

Yeah but the lictor/DL in and of itself is not within 6" of the enemy unit when it declares the charge from the tcyte so it doesnt get +2" on the charge. However it would if you deploy him on the table, run up, be within 6" then pop pheromone trail, then hed be within 6" so gets affected by it after having triggered shard lure in the shooting phase, though you do lose the reroll charge. Once hes in, the warriors in the pod get the +2" from PT, the 3d6 from SL and if you take the +1 to charge trait you get that too. Best in kraken though as if you roll a 1" in advance with other fleets it wont work. Whereas with kraken you are getting auto 8" advance.

Im thinking warriors in a tcyte, the tcyte, 30 Hormagaunts & a flyrant or some raveners would benefit from it greatly and be a very tough t1 blender