Optimal allround warrior loadout

[bugsy]

What would you say is the optimal allround warrior loadout? Quad swords, quad talons, swords+deathspitter, talons+deathspitter, whip?

I’m leaning towards two dudes with swords+deathspitter and one dude with sword+whip+venomcannon (times 1,2 or 3 to make it a 3,6 or 9 man unit, with adrenal glands).

[dkng]

Swords and spitters. Can have one with whip for the morale strat. I’m not sure if venom cannons are worth it though. Maybe on a Prime? Random shots are not something I like tbh.

[piersonsmuppet]

Yea, Dual Bone Swords & Deathspitters outperform other loadouts by a wide margin (prob going to have pts assigned to all Warrior weapons a few weeks after the Codex drops). I would 100% recommend sacrificing 1A on the unit and equipping 1 with BS, LW, & DS for the ability to make the Morale phase hurt, even if only to force the opponent to burn 2 CP to your 1 CP spent.

That is the general feel of the codex though, every unit has one good loadout. This is the one thing that is most disappointing about the new Codex, variety within units themselves is basically gone.

EDIT: I don't get why VC didn't get a boost to Heavy3 to be more similar to HVC changes.

[dkng]

Well... there is a niche where Warriors are dedicated to chaff killing where quad talons mean 7 S5 ap-1 d1 attacks - quite a nice thing for contesting objectives against common infantry. After that kind of blenderisation (is that a word?) the lowish model count wont matter much. If facing mostly orcs or eldar for example even double devourer will be good. Depends on your meta and the decision what units you use against elites / chaff / heavies.

[kazetanade]

Warriors get +1A for Scytals with 1cp and AG as well - good candidate to pair with Broodlords buff bringing it to 8A S5 ap-2.

Being honest though, I'm not sure if this is strong or effective or useful. It's a niche build for sure, and workable into a fair few matchups. But I think better to leave them at home.

[piersonsmuppet]

Mar 23, 2022 16:04:50 GMT dkng said:

Well... there is a niche where Warriors are dedicated to chaff killing where quad talons mean 7 S5 ap-1 d1 attacks - quite a nice thing for contesting objectives against common infantry. After that kind of blenderisation (is that a word?) the lowish model count wont matter much. If facing mostly orcs or eldar for example even double devourer will be good. Depends on your meta and the decision what units you use against elites / chaff / heavies.

DBS & DS Warriors avg out the same number of Attacks if you include that they can shoot 1-2 turns prior to charging, but they have better AP. That you can shoot into chaff and still brawl with tougher models makes 4xST really mediocre. The build only has legs if it is a cheaper option, and right now it isn't.

[piersonsmuppet]

Mar 23, 2022 16:56:02 GMT kazetanade said:

Warriors get +1A for Scytals with 1cp and AG as well - good candidate to pair with Broodlords buff bringing it to 8A S5 ap-2.

Being honest though, I'm not sure if this is strong or effective or useful. It's a niche build for sure, and workable into a fair few matchups. But I think better to leave them at home.

That would be 8A S6 (AG) AP-2, but that is a lot of pieces and CP for killing GEQ...

[trashcan01]

I'm running a blob of 9 with dual swords and adrenal glands for 300pts.
Jormungandr,+1 save in terrain. They are about to become a staple in all of my lists.
3x Venom
3x Stranglers
3x Deathspitters

I've played 2 games so far, tabled the opponent turn 3 and then turn 4, with Warriors always taking and holding the middle of the table, obliterating anything that comes to contest. They are nearly impossible to remove and pack quite a punch.

I'm expecting their points to go up or at least a nerf to their Cannon options (choose only one, not both). They are too good.

[dkng]

Mar 24, 2022 6:38:36 GMT trashcan01 said:

I'm running a blob of 9 with dual swords and adrenal glands for 300pts.
Jormungandr,+1 save in terrain. They are about to become a staple in all of my lists.
3x Venom
3x Stranglers
3x Deathspitters

I've played 2 games so far, tabled the opponent turn 3 and then turn 4, with Warriors always taking and holding the middle of the table, obliterating anything that comes to contest. They are nearly impossible to remove and pack quite a punch.

I'm expecting their points to go up or at least a nerf to their Cannon options (choose only one, not both). They are too good.

What's your opinion on the Stranglers? Stats are nice vs chaff with Blast, range is superb (for Nids anyways) but D6 shots is what makes me sceptical.

[trashcan01]

They get the job done, as long as you go for the 6+ model squads, and it is a great opener for the first few rounds of the battle.
I understand where the question is coming from as, I didn't bother to use them at all in the 8ed.

It feels really awkward to judge ONE weapon of ONE unit, because in the "leaked" Codex, there are so many things you can do. There are amazing synergies to be played and the army units feel like organs moving as a single organism. 

I've written this before somewhere, but this is my current "buff" list for 9 model super-tanky-killy Obsec Warriors, and I use it every round:

1) Offensive buffs: Synaptic Links: Hive Tyrant (re-roll 1); Tyranid Prime (re-roll 1), Synptic Link (+1 hit).
2) Defensive buffs: -1 hit over 12'', 1+ on terrain cover save; 
3) Situational buffs: 2CP strat -1dmg  received or Zhoantrope 5++ 

[kazetanade]

Would you rate TransNids and 5++ every turn higher than Jorm -1 to hit?

[trashcan01]

Mar 24, 2022 9:10:49 GMT kazetanade said:

Would you rate TransNids and 5++ every turn higher than Jorm -1 to hit?

edited, as I didn't get that kaze was actually asking about Levi vs Jorg:

Tough question. I guess it could be calculated.

5++ and TransNids (wounding on natural 4+) is also amazing in terms of Warrior survivability. Leviathan has staying power as well. If had more Warriors I would be very tempted to go Leviathan.

-1 hit over 12/18'' works as well. Jorgmundr in this composition is just so hard to remove. Unless we are talking about the Tau or some other "I-look-at-it-and-it-dies" death dealer. And yes, you want to run Venomthropes as well to cancel out potential +1hit bonus and keep -1 penalty running.

I think that the main question here is about Adaptive options for Jorg/Levi and how they complement your army. 

Also, my opponent just gave up on shooting at the Warriors, as they have -1(-2) on hit // T5 // saving on 2+/5++// -1dmg on them.  And to even start chipping down their main firepower (the Cannons) he needs to go through 3 Warriors. 

The best part is that Jorgmundr -1 forces the opponent to come within 12 and anything, and I mean anything that comes within 12'' of Warriors (Adrenal) will most likely die in melee extremely fast as the buffs also translate in close combat attacks, and this is where they really shine. S8, AP-2, 2dmg!


Again, I feel that looking on individual units and buffs is doing a huge disservice to the current Codex, and seeing everything in action is a thing of beauty.
We have answers to everything. 

1. Adapting the Hive Tendril after you know who's going first is amazing!
2. Synaptic imperatives are a total game changer:
Turn 1- Zhoans 4++/5++, preventing alpha strike and allowing the army to move in and contest
Turn 2 - Prime 24'' shots exploding 6; as the tendril closes in with the opponent this helps getting a few more shots in
Turn 3 -  Hive Tyrant - Fall back and charge; as enemy blobs and melee do their thing, trying to plug the leaks in their line you just dance away
Turn 4 - Warriors - melee exploding 6; maximal carnage as most of the army is, basically, in contact with the enemy

3. Synaptic link is a great mechanic, and daisy chaining is super useful both for buffs and numerous Psy Powers (army wide range basically).

[N.I.B.]

trashcan, what does your army list look like at 2000pts?

[trashcan01]

Mar 24, 2022 15:36:12 GMT N.I.B. said:

trashcan, what does your army list look like at 2000pts?

Hive Tendril Jorgmundr,
- adaptive: +1 save from terrain (in most cases)
Starting CP: 8

HQ:

• Hive Tyrant with Relic HVCanon and FNP 5+++ trait   175pts
• Warrior Prime with Pathogenesis and Guidance "+1 hit rolls" trait 85 pts
• Neurothrope Warlord with Resonance Barb and 2x Synaptic Link effect trait 100 pts
  

TROOPS:

• Warriors x9 (Dual Bswords, 3x Venom, 3x B.Strangle, 3x Deathspitters, Adrenal Glands) - 270pts
• Hormagaunts x 10 80pts
• Hormagaunts x 10 80pts
• Termagants x 10 70pts
• Termagants x 10 70pts
  

ELITES

• Lictor 70 pts
• Venomthropes x3 105 pts
• Zoanthropes x3 150 pts

FAST ATTACK

• Raveners x4 (Deathspitters, RavenerClaws, STalons) 120 pts
• Ripper Swarm x3 45 pts

HEAVY SUPPORT

• Carnifex x2 (HVcannon, 2x Devourers, ESenses, SCysts) 290
• Carnifex x2 (HVcannon, 2x Devourers, ESenses, SCysts) 290

[garg]

Mar 23, 2022 15:09:24 GMT dkng said:

Swords and spitters. Can have one with whip for the morale strat. I’m not sure if venom cannons are worth it though. Maybe on a Prime? Random shots are not something I like tbh.

At only 5 points they seem worth it for the range alone. The random shots is balanced out by the other stats.