Tervigon with Termie horde

[kazetanade]

I play GSC Neophytes with worse Fearless worse regen and similar save profiles.

30 bodies at T3 5+ are not hard to kill. But 30 bodies T3 3+ 5+++ is fairly difficult to wipe if you abuse wraps and LOSB terrain. Focus on the Primary objectives with them, and even 2 turns of score/denial is worth the points.

Initial points I'm thinking would work is 2x30 Devilgants with Toxin Sacs. Devilgants are no doubt weaker than they were just few months ago - but with cp support i believe they actually reach similar levels of output to their prev supplement. Assuming that Tesla strat is still active from Levi Supplement, the addition of reroll wounds makes the Devilgant much scarier. This unit would be a strong contender into, say, non-Borkan Crisis Suits, 10 man VanVets, etc.

Then with cover + additional saves, they become a great contender for TTL - if they ever get whittled down to nothing, keep them out of the way for 2 turns, back to full.

[gigasnail]

aren't we specifically assuming the leviathan supplement is not going to make it post codex?

[montytrygon]

Not really a part of this thread, but it`s a Tervigon one.
Ill definitly will try a Tervigon as a killing machine in low points game.

Give her Mawclaws and the heigthened senses warlord trait for a (please do not swear) ton of attacks, rerolling to hit, reroll to wound.

Get even more attacks after you kill stuff or use adrenal surge.
Combine all this for a possible maximum of 22 attacks Str 8 dmg 2 or 11 attacks str 11 dmg 2d3 with full rerolls.
All that on a Toughness 8 sv2 17 wounds body which cann hide behind gaunts.

Best option in the book? no

Will i try out the thick murder mommy? Hell yes

[piersonsmuppet]

I’d say no more than 25 in a unit and bring 3 of em. though the idea centers around untargetable TTL of Tervigon and 2x Walkrant. I’m not sure it works well enough with terms at 7ppm, would be better at 6ppm.

[dkng]

Thicc mommy <3

[trashcan01]

Yeah, I don't see Tervigon as game changing or that it is some massive threat. She is tailored/designed to have one massive gaunt unit with her. The gants protect the mommy and in return, she keeps their numbers up and provides +1 hit buff. A unit of 30 Termagants is too much of a tax, let alone two.

In order to field 2x 30 Termagants + Tervigon you need to reserve a whooping 635 points. You could calculate that you get 70 refunded, as the Tervigon spawns the unit of 10, but it is quite a lot of points for a slow moving monster and a bunch of paper thin chaff. Translate those points to Warriors, for example, and compare the damage output and tankyness. Or don't, if you want to stay enthusiastic about the Tervigon.

On another level, (Tervigon) spamming lists are discouraged in this Codex, because you want various Synapse Imperative units to keep your options open.

For friendly games, I will field the Tervigon now and then. But if I'm going against a tougher lists hard pass thank you very much.

[patata]

About this i was thinking either you go full ballzy and do like 2 tervigon and 90 gants or you don't,you gotta reach critical respawning mass v.v

[dkng]

The question is how is the local/tournament meta ready for those kind of hordes? If, for example, your neighbourhood is dominated by Custodes or Knights then the armies tend to be tailored towards dealing with those threats. Let's say we are talking about low volume, high dmg weapon. It can one shot a Warrior but it will kill only one gaunt for the same "price". I'd call that a poor eficiency. Count in all the multi-damage weapons that get wasted on gaunts. This is ofcourse countered by Blast weapons but how prevalent they are?
I'm not trying to sell the idea of horde armies being strong or point efficient in the void, but in certain circumstances direct camparison between a Warrior and Gaunt is a bit moot.

[xtztxtxz]

There's probably decent potential for a skew pressure list with termagants / hormaguants / gargoyles, supported by tervigon / neuro / prime / parasite which are all untargetable. Throw the gargs / horms up first and an opponent needs to choose between killing those or the termagants as you rack up actions & objectives.

However at 7/8ppm, that's likely not going to see much success in highly competitive environments. Something mostly for local games.

[hiveoverall]

If that sort of strategy worked, sistas wouldn't be in the dumbster spot they ar ein right now.

[xtztxtxz]

It's hardly a fair comparison when Sisters don't get to respawn chaff models for free, don't ignore morale, and don't have untargetable potentially obsec monsters.

[dc0315]

Might i suggest taking the Tervigon alone with no termagants?

I know it may be abstract, but its synaptic imperative is great if you wanna go all up in your opponents face.

Im talking kraken or hydra. Scores of hormagaunts, genestealers forward deploying, flyrant, raveners, etc.

If youve got more dangerous targets the tervi isnt the main concern T1. If it is shot and killed, it saved something else from being shot. If it doesnt, you spawn a free unit of 10 termagants anyway for objectives or whatever when you need them, it sits on an objective and gives your whole army 2" extra move even if it dies with the strat. Like that with the newly spawned unit your tervigon essentially costs you 145pts as 70pts are for the extra, free termagants.

All i can say is im really looking forward to put my Tervigon on the table again and if i have the points left over, ill give it a 4++.

[piersonsmuppet]

If taking a lone Tervigon, I’d think that having Harpies or Carnifex with HVC as targets needing higher priority are a must. Also it probably needs Adaptive or Hydra WLTs, but the value of a T8 17W monster for 145 pts is pretty darn good. However, I think you need Obj Sec on it and/or Maw Claws to actually be a strong and efficient choice.

Side note: Tervigon is a character and can’t have a physiology.

[dc0315]

Apr 5, 2022 14:00:57 GMT piersonsmuppet said:

If taking a lone Tervigon, I’d think that having Harpies or Carnifex with HVC as targets needing higher priority are a must. Also it probably needs Adaptive or Hydra WLTs, but the value of a T8 17W monster for 145 pts is pretty darn good. However, I think you need Obj Sec on it and/or Maw Claws to actually be a strong and efficient choice.

Side note: Tervigon is a character and can’t have a physiology.

Damn it, forgot it cant take a 4++, well, if you start 2nd you can always pop the 4++ from zoans if needed, then from t2 it shouldnt be a main target if youve built the list correctly.

Atleast 1 harpy should be in every list rn as with a maleceptor and some zoanthropes.

Though ill be honest, im a massive kraken fanboy so maybe im a little biased towards the fast moving agile playstyle of nids since 4th ed so for me a tervi with that SI is almost an autotake. We are talking about flyrants moving 19"(ag) without an advance hormagaunts moving 19"(ag) with strat.(essentially 20" for both due to the +1 to charge), raveners moving 14"+8" advance with kraken strat then onslaught, added to some genestealers deploying 9" away behind cover then moving 10". Its a really good SI if you dont wanna go down the levi path...

[purestrain]

A levi squad with a Trygon Prime giving +1 advance and charge rolls to the hormagants while the tervigon grants them +2 move is incredibly spicy.

If you need foreward synapse use the POM, moves the same as a flyrant, has character protection and -1 hit no rerolls