Snakes, snakes every where?

[jesses]

Mar 17, 2022 7:39:14 GMT N.I.B. said:

What's the prefered target for Trygons now? Their damage was reduced by a LOT. 2 wound Space Marine infantry perhaps? Looks like dreadnoughts would be a nightmare, with their common reduce damage traits.

With their speed and ability to DS, my Prime is going to be hunting backfield artillery: Broadsides, Manticores, Fire Prisms, Exocrines, Ravagers, Doomsday Arks, etc. Anything we would normally be saying "well, I'll try and tarpit it" is going to be prey for Trygon or TryPrime for me.

[N.I.B.]

I'm a bit out of the loop, what's the rules for coming in from reserves now, we're allowed to do it turn 1?

[lordsia]

Only if you do it with a tyrannocyte, which is a 100pts DS tax. You're better off using 125pts to TFTD a Mawlocs and scatter the enemy's gunline.

[jesses]

There are two kinds of reserves: REINFORCEMENTS and STRATEGIC RESERVES.

REINFORCEMENTS are any unit that has an innate ability to be set up somewhere other than the battlefield. Raveners, Tempestus Scions, Flayed Ones, etc. These are set up according to their own rules, and must follow those rules. Unless their rules specify otherwise, they can come in during any of your Reinforcement Steps at the end of your movement phase (including the first). If they specify otherwise, they just follow those rules. For example, Necron Deathmarks can deploy when an enemy reinforcement comes in. Space Marine Drop Pods must deploy in the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd turn, you cannot hold them longer than turn 3.

This is the category all of our "burrowers" fall into, as they all use the Death From Below rule.

STRATEGIC RESERVES are when a unit does NOT have an innate ability to be set up as reinforcements. These units can only be placed into reserves by spending CP, and follow the Strategic Reserves rules for deploying. One of those rules is that they cannot deploy in the first battle round.

This is the category you would have to put a Tyrannofex into if you wanted it in reserves. It has no innate ability and is too large to put into a Tyrannocyte.

[bolk]

Mar 17, 2022 8:51:02 GMT jesses said:

There are two kinds of reserves: REINFORCEMENTS and STRATEGIC RESERVES.

REINFORCEMENTS are any unit that has an innate ability to be set up somewhere other than the battlefield. Raveners, Tempestus Scions, Flayed Ones, etc. These are set up according to their own rules, and must follow those rules. Unless their rules specify otherwise, they can come in during any of your Reinforcement Steps at the end of your movement phase (including the first). If they specify otherwise, they just follow those rules. For example, Necron Deathmarks can deploy when an enemy reinforcement comes in. Space Marine Drop Pods must deploy in the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd turn, you cannot hold them longer than turn 3.

This is the category all of our "burrowers" fall into, as they all use the Death From Below rule.

STRATEGIC RESERVES are when a unit does NOT have an innate ability to be set up as reinforcements. These units can only be placed into reserves by spending CP, and follow the Strategic Reserves rules for deploying. One of those rules is that they cannot deploy in the first battle round.

This is the category you would have to put a Tyrannofex into if you wanted it in reserves. It has no innate ability and is too large to put into a Tyrannocyte.

Huh, I was sure all Reinforcements had to wait until turn 2, except for those with rules that allow for turn 1, like Drop Pods. But there's so much to keep track of now, so not surprised I missed something.

[nbmraptor]

In matched play mission packs, there is usually a rule that says both reinforcements and strategic reserves are not allowed to arrive in the first battle round. E.g. on page 282 in the core book for eternal war missions.

EDIT: It's also here where it states that reinforcements or strategic reserves that do not arrive by battle round 3 count as destroyed

[jesses]

Mar 17, 2022 10:21:37 GMT nbmraptor said:

In matched play mission packs, there is usually a rule that says both reinforcements and strategic reserves are not allowed to arrive in the first battle round. E.g. on page 282 in the core book for eternal war missions.

EDIT: It's also here where it states that reinforcements or strategic reserves that do not arrive by battle round 3 count as destroyed

Yes, I should have specified that. Nachmund missions also have that same limitation. But it's a constraint of the missions, not the core rules.

Open Play missions don't have this constraint, and some of the Crusade missions even flip it on it's head (Recon allows Strategic Reserves to come in 1st turn but not Reinforcements). I haven't played all if the different Warzone missions from the supplements but several of them all T1 Reinforcements as well. Reading the missions minutia is really important this edition, for better or worse.

[masterofillusion]

Mar 15, 2022 22:28:41 GMT niiai said:

So all the snakes have -1 to get hit. Whot?

To make things worse ravaners are T5. I do not know what happens with those weapon profiles. They somehow have ravaners claws? Wiich you will never use. Because they also have scything tallons and rending claws? And they can take free ranged weapons? All for 30 points. It sounds like a mess, but veyr good.

6inch reduction to fearless from synapse is going to really hurt raveners on the charge. Unless something is charging with them without getting in the way/getting blocked by the raveners they'll have to go through that fight phase with ld 5 and a prayer. They better hope they wipe whatever they're charging.

[jesses]

Parasite is 80pts of faster-than-a-Ravener Synpase, and with FLY can stay behind them then jump over when charging.

[lordsia]

We can also give Synapse to a Harpy or Crone, tag in a Flyrant, burrow a Trygon Prime, or infiltrate a Broodlord.
We do have fast synapse options.

[beetlejuice]

For the snek lists out there, just wanted to share my trygon prime take, not sure I’ve seen it discussed on the board.

Trygon prime with toxin sacs, warlord trait heightened sense to fight first and reroll all hits. Searhive relic make all hits autowound (not vs vehicles/monster). So essentially 13A hitting on 3’s rerolling should force 11-12 saves at AP3 2D. Really wish we still had murderous size but should at least put a dent into custodes (assuming you bait no rerolls elsewhere) and tau battlesuits.

[lordsia]

Mar 17, 2022 10:21:37 GMT nbmraptor said:

In matched play mission packs, there is usually a rule that says both reinforcements and strategic reserves are not allowed to arrive in the first battle round. E.g. on page 282 in the core book for eternal war missions.

EDIT: It's also here where it states that reinforcements or strategic reserves that do not arrive by battle round 3 count as destroyed

I'm not quite up to speed on the hierarchy of rules in 9th, but the leaked Tyrannocyte datasheet explicitly says that it can drop in turn 1, 2, or 3, regardless of mission rules. Does that then supercede the rules of the mission? I would assume so, as it would otherwise be pointless to have it as a listed exemption, but perhaps you know for sure one way or another?

[deedus]

Mar 20, 2022 16:36:41 GMT lordsia said:

Mar 17, 2022 10:21:37 GMT nbmraptor said:

In matched play mission packs, there is usually a rule that says both reinforcements and strategic reserves are not allowed to arrive in the first battle round. E.g. on page 282 in the core book for eternal war missions.

EDIT: It's also here where it states that reinforcements or strategic reserves that do not arrive by battle round 3 count as destroyed

I'm not quite up to speed on the hierarchy of rules in 9th, but the leaked Tyrannocyte datasheet explicitly says that it can drop in turn 1, 2, or 3, regardless of mission rules. Does that then supercede the rules of the mission? I would assume so, as it would otherwise be pointless to have it as a listed exemption, but perhaps you know for sure one way or another?

It odes. Specific rules beat general rules.

[piersonsmuppet]

Mar 20, 2022 8:38:52 GMT beetlejuice said:

For the snek lists out there, just wanted to share my trygon prime take, not sure I’ve seen it discussed on the board.

Trygon prime with toxin sacs, warlord trait heightened sense to fight first and reroll all hits. Searhive relic make all hits autowound (not vs vehicles/monster). So essentially 13A hitting on 3’s rerolling should force 11-12 saves at AP3 2D. Really wish we still had murderous size but should at least put a dent into custodes (assuming you bait no rerolls elsewhere) and tau battlesuits.

Really like the Senses/Searhive combination. Looks good in Kraken and Jorm for AP-4 auto wounds, or Hydra for gaining +1 to-hit vs things like Crisis Suits, Custodes Bikes, or any smite/horned charge weakened 5-man unit.