Full codex leak

[beetlejuice]

drive.google.com/file/d/1oChaYL2Aris5j4vB27REuLlgFRg9kMxK/view

@moderator pls delete if this crosses the line with regards to IP

Edit: nameless suggested this resource as well:
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TQXAQ65WDiQVlIv2oXuVBRHBHDWU1oahKl0YOlomdzM/edit#gid=569241515

[hiveoverall]

Ty Beetlejuice Beetlejuice Beetlejuice ! You're a great person !

[swarm492]

I awoke this morning. And over the sound of my morning alarm I hear...

..the voice of an angel

[hungryhormie]

A bit miffed by the hormies. The didn't even get standard scything talons

[princeyg]

this is a copy and paste from my thoughts over on dakka, quite long and rambly sorry.

Well, very happy with the kraken stuff (especially the new version of the relic skin...no rerolls to hit against me!! hahah!!!) and the whole +8" to move when advancing is gonna make hormies stupid.



Like the changes to the other fleets too, nothing truly awful, even if it does seem, kraken, levi and behemoth may be the overall better ones at least gorgon got some interesting stuff this time.



Didn't think they'd make fleet stealers quite so different to GSC ones but at least they have forward deployment shenanigans now and there is a very small chance that the infestation node might actually see the table in a casual game. maybe theres now an argument for the extra carapace seeing as no advance and charge naturally? points gonna really start adding up there as mine are deffo getting the old style rending sacs treatment.10 man max squads is disappointing though.

ultimately, I've always prefferred GSC stealers being better than fleet ones so i'm not actually all that upset about this at all.



Looks like my dedication to fielding Screamer killers has finally paid off..11 attacks on the charge!! -1 dam!!!



Venomthropes cover aura not being linked to how many you have in the unit means 3 man squads might be useful again..



Some quite insane strategems there with loads of ways to spew out mortal wounds.



Really like the two part fleet trait system, makes you feel like you are adapting to your enemy by being allowed to change some of it.



Very glad my hiveguard have always been shockcannon. Thats a fair old nerf to the impaler.



Lictors... ok so these things doubled in price, but woah..thats one heck of a statline/damage output increase.



Pyrovores..after years of been utterly rubbish, and 1 edition of being kinda ok (8th) are starting to look kinda tempting. Still not gonna get any til they replace that awful finecast monstrosity though.



Resonably decent overall for the generic relics, quite like the new relic HVC and the maw claws (which just seem to be a weapon "upgrade" now rather than replacing anything??) but again, I've used chameleonic skin for ages so stoked to see it get even better.



Not sure what to say about the biovore changes til ive had a chance to use them, but having to do an action to make mine units seems a bit of a downgrade.



i can however see some great kraken based 1st turn movement shenanigans with the strats and maybe even a tervigon for its synaptic imperative ability thing.



Massively happy my tyrant can now fire his HVC in combat, was a bit annoyed when 9th came along and it was all "Look! tanks and monsters can blaze away in combat!! unless you have a blast weapon of course......





Mawloc has 16...16 attacks?!!!! rattle tail thing very interesting? (tails on tyrants much improved too) very happy to see fex still have different tail options (apart from my beloved Sk's but hey, 11 attacks on the charge



Overall, i can definitely see big units of hormies and termies coming back into fashion and am happy with the stat boosts for the majority of big gribblies (flyrant excepted but frankly, we've leant on that crutch for so long its finally snapped)



All i need now are the crusade rules (always the most fun part of these 9th ed books for me..the GSC one is just soo much fun)



p.s., just noticed you can get an obsec tyrant with one of the warlord traits i think but then realised...oooooo obsec untargetable tervigon!!!

[vortexdr]

Seriously i still can't run my fexes in groups....wtf. I quite like the Lurk ability that makes all monsters obsec.

[piersonsmuppet]

I'm liking getting Pathogenesis again with the new improved HVC, but sad that the auto-hits from miasma are gone (understandably). However, that S12 AP-5 D5 HVC is... bonkers? Harpies are up there with Exo as most improved datasheet in the codex imo, and any regrets about buying a second one recently for CS are gone!

With most Levi Supplement and CS rules being rolled into the Codex in tamer forms, I very much doubt those are going to stay legal for matched play. I'm seeing that Monster Obj Sec trait and not really caring though...

[Kitane]

An obsec monster can still work with someone stripping away obsec from the enemy. I especially like the stratagem for the Parasite, infecting a unit it moved over during the movement phase.

[hivefleetkerrigan]

The parasite of mortex didn't have a set warlord trait. Does that mean that it's not a named character and that we can bring multiple?

[yoritomo]

I’ve got to be honest, I don’t really like what I’ve seen so far.

To be fair I’ve only looked at the hive fleet abilities and data sheets. Maybe when I dig into the synaptic abilities and stratagems I’ll be more impressed.

While our stat lines have seen improvement, the abilities that made units worth taking are gone. Or they were beat to death with the nerf bat. Things like the devourer losing a point of strength and a shot, or the impaler cannon losing two points of strength now requires line of sight to fire (though it doesn’t have to be the hive guard’s line of sight).

I don’t know, it feels like they dialed a few things up to eleven to hype the codex and then erased key parts of our codex when we weren’t looking. Maybe I’m wrong and things will seem better once I’ve had a chance to read and digest the whole codex fully.

[Shadowwolf]

I might be old-school, but I find the layering of rules sets in this edition to be overwhelming. :-P This codex har Hive fleet adaptations (which can be further adapted), Psychic powers, special objectives, synaptic imperatives, synaptic links, stratagems, warlord traits, relics, adaptive physiology and regular unit abilities, that's 10 different add-on rules sets not neccessarily connected to the models or entries themselves! And standardized wargear is out, now all entries have individualized weapons, such as Screamer-killer scything talons, compared to Carnifex Scything talons and changing profiles depending on wounds remaining... The complexity of managing this seems... excessive...

But other than that; AWESOOOME! I love that they've included rules like the biovore and hiveguard targeting through synapse, much fluff and wow! A lictors look tempting now!

Shadowwolf

[vortexdr]

Mar 15, 2022 14:39:07 GMT yoritomo said:

I’ve got to be honest, I don’t really like what I’ve seen so far.

To be fair I’ve only looked at the hive fleet abilities and data sheets. Maybe when I dig into the synaptic abilities and stratagems I’ll be more impressed.

While our stat lines have seen improvement, the abilities that made units worth taking are gone. Or they were beat to death with the nerf bat. Things like the devourer losing a point of strength and a shot, or the impaler cannon losing two points of strength now requires line of sight to fire (though it doesn’t have to be the hive guard’s line of sight).

I don’t know, it feels like they dialed a few things up to eleven to hype the codex and then erased key parts of our codex when we weren’t looking. Maybe I’m wrong and things will seem better once I’ve had a chance to read and digest the whole codex fully.

You wont be, the synaptic links took a massive nerf...That's one part of the book i'm hating. Also with all the new codex's getting ways to ignore invulns i haven't seen a single thing in here that gives that ability not even a ignore invulns in melee....Overall i have a feeling that our old codex with supplements and Crusher is better than this one which quite pathetic.

Whats even worse is now to give the link out you need to be within 6" to give the buff...It used to be 12" and you can see it used to be 12" because the example pictures to explain it are clearly copy/pasted from our supplement.

Also the chapter master rerolls from the supplement also gone. (well its exclusive to swarmlord)...After OP Tau and Eldar this codex for sure isn't following the codex creep

I do have to say Deathleeper and Lictors are quite terrifying... So far they are the stand out units.

[deedus]

Mar 15, 2022 14:58:25 GMT vortexdr said:

Whats even worse is now to give the link out you need to be within 6" to give the buff...It used to be 12" and you can see it used to be 12" because the example pictures to explain it are clearly copy/pasted from our supplement.

Those are Synaptic imperative abilities that require 6" range, synaptic link is still 12" (and required by a different set of abilities that units have)

[joysan76]

sinaptic link nerfed? 'm not sure...

all the sinapse creature still have powers that use the same mechanic, the powers are changed but they are for free
we got the sinaptic imperative mechanic that may be awesome

and i have not compared the differents sinaptic link powers (don't confuse with imperative poowers) our units have now, BUT if they are totally different by the octarius list, that don't exclude they are stll valid and you can get also them pauing their cost

[garg]

Mar 15, 2022 14:39:07 GMT yoritomo said:

I’ve got to be honest, I don’t really like what I’ve seen so far.

To be fair I’ve only looked at the hive fleet abilities and data sheets. Maybe when I dig into the synaptic abilities and stratagems I’ll be more impressed.

While our stat lines have seen improvement, the abilities that made units worth taking are gone. Or they were beat to death with the nerf bat. Things like the devourer losing a point of strength and a shot, or the impaler cannon losing two points of strength now requires line of sight to fire (though it doesn’t have to be the hive guard’s line of sight).

I don’t know, it feels like they dialed a few things up to eleven to hype the codex and then erased key parts of our codex when we weren’t looking. Maybe I’m wrong and things will seem better once I’ve had a chance to read and digest the whole codex fully.

I actually like the concept of new the Impaler (I think most artillery should need a spotter but that's another matter) and the ability to defend the hive.
There are definitely units that have been taken down a peg but there are more that have been elevated.