Warriors, Glorious Warriors!

[purestrain]

Tyranid Discord has the Warrior leak up, idk if were allowed to show the whole picture here.

S/T Confirmed at 5, 3A(4Prime) ws3bs3 (2s on prime) 4+ save (3+ prime) 3w normal 6w prime

Boneswords/BSLW Are S+2 ap-2 2d
Rending claws S+1 ap-4 1d
Talons SU ap-1 1d
Deathspitters are A3 S5 ap-2 1d (can make it up to ap-3 in kronos at 14"!!)
Devs are A5 S4 ap0 1d at 18"
SPINEFISTS? Pistol 2 S5 ap-1 1d 12"
STC Ad6 S6 ap-1 1d 36" range
Venom cannon Ad3 S8 ap-3 2d 36" 


PRIME CAN TAKE CANNONS!!!

[Laeketh]

The sheet I saw shows 3A for Warriors and 4A for Primes base, everything else matches.

[purestrain]

Mar 10, 2022 15:15:10 GMT Laeketh said:

The sheet I saw shows 3A for Warriors and 4A for Primes base, everything else matches.

Yeah, my bad, fixed that

[infornography]

So boneswords are more damage and S7 so ideal for anti light vehicle and characters
Rending claws are WAY better AP and S6 and 1D so ideal for anti-elite hunting
Talons are more attacks at 1D each but more attacks (if other rumors are accurate)for clearing fodder

Deathspitters are okay RoF, S, and AP, but not great at anything - probably best for hunting spaced marines or any other T4/5 targets
Devs are our volume of fire weapons intended to deal with chaff that is T3 to 4 with poor saves or higher invulns than saves.
Spinefists are what we use if we want to get stuck in melee but still have some shooting, kinda disappointing volume of fire and AP though.

STC looks to be the not very impressive still sporting a d6 number of attacks. while still having mediocre strength and poor AP and damage. Probably still has cover ignoring ability though.
VC is ... ehh. Easily our best gun in this unit for dealing with vehicles or maybe space marines, but getting 1d3 attacks and only 2d to show for it, not likely to do too much. S8 and AP-3 at 36" range is good though. Depending on points, probably still worth it. I really wish they had just given the cannons at least a higher minimum number of shots. The risk of only shooting once for such small damage amounts makes these guns seem underwhelming.

I love that the prime can take cannons now! that is awesome, but would be more awesome if the cannons were more worth taking. Most infantry carried large weapons are far more effective in other factions. But maybe this is part of their push to make the melee better and BOY HOWDY is the melee better! Depending on the wording of how scything talons work, the go-to build might very well be Boneswords or BS/LW and Scything Talons. If the guns are cheap enough though, maybe they would be worth it for force projection.

Love the statline, love the melee options, somewhat underwhelmed by the ranged options.

[hivemind03]

So 4 attacks or 3 for regular warriors?

Definitely not excited about those cannons but I never liked them on warriors anyways. I love the deathspitters, probably with boneswords. Or just double Scything Talons still.

Pretty happy about these changes overall

Edit: 3 attacks, I see.

[ddt]

As I and many others likely use an old metal Hive Tyrant as a prime allowing them to have cannons is pretty nice.

[swarm492]

Really hope there are still plenty of ways for the codex to buff them defensively.

Other than that great boons

[infornography]

Main advantage I see to giving the Prime a cannon is to hide in on the back lines to provide synapse and a link or whatever they call them now to your fire team. I like the idea of a cannon on the prime more than on the regular warriors at this point.

[piersonsmuppet]

My hope is that the Spinefist profile shown is for 1x and that the loadout option involves taking 2x Spinefists. Otherwise, they look extremely sub-par to the other options barring additional rules/stratagems.

Prime taking a VC is finally a thing and prob where VC will see most play. I don't think the VC's will go on regular warriors often, doesn't seem like they will be worth it over DSs/Devs/SFs or doubling up on melee options if all the weapons are costed similarly to now.

[bolk]

Really had hoped DS would become our "Heavy Bolter", but it's AP-2 atleast. STC is still not worth taking, VC is still decent, having a chance for 3 Krak Missile shots is great, though D is lacking. But Warriors being native BS 3+ will help on their ranged damage output. And this is still without any special rules on the weapons.

[purestrain]

Mar 10, 2022 15:51:35 GMT piersonsmuppet said:

My hope is that the Spinefist profile shown is for 1x and that the loadout option involves taking 2x Spinefists. Otherwise, they look extremely sub-par to the other options barring additional rules/stratagems.

Prime taking a VC is finally a thing and prob where VC will see most play. I don't think the VC's will go on regular warriors often, doesn't seem like they will be worth it over DSs/Devs/SFs or doubling up on melee options if all the weapons are costed similarly to now.

One of the sub traits grants you ap-1 at half range, so if you're in melee its s5 ap-2 1d

[piersonsmuppet]

Mar 10, 2022 15:58:28 GMT purestrain said:

One of the sub traits grants you ap-1 at half range, so if you're in melee its s5 ap-2 1d

I thought the -1 AP at half was one of Kronos's two fleet specific traits (the other being +4"). The shooting traits look better on the other gun choices, and I think I'd rather just take a second pair of ST's if they grant +2A per pair.

[hivefleetkerrigan]

Disappointed on death spitters. They should be 2D flat.

[purestrain]

Mar 10, 2022 16:20:40 GMT piersonsmuppet said:

Mar 10, 2022 15:58:28 GMT purestrain said:

One of the sub traits grants you ap-1 at half range, so if you're in melee its s5 ap-2 1d

I thought the -1 AP at half was one of Kronos's two fleet specific traits (the other being +4"). The shooting traits look better on the other gun choices, and I think I'd rather just take a second pair of ST's if they grant +2A per pair.

The monstrous ones grant +2 attacks, dont know about the normal ones. I believe you are correct about the HF trait.

Points costs will be a factor as to what to use on warriors, but I wouldnt mind having some pocket deathspitters in a synch that can actually be shot with within melee

[piersonsmuppet]

Without knowing pts, Devs & ST or SF & BSs/LWBS (since these will have AG) are looking like the best loadouts imo.