new tyranid model

[mattblowers]

WOOT!!

I can see it being a game changer. Taking away Obsec is huge.

[hivefleetkerrigan]

Mar 8, 2022 20:45:49 GMT mattblowers said:

WOOT!!

I can see it being a game changer. Taking away Obsec is huge.

Right? There's so many opportunities for fun/sneaky plays.

Also, the rules stated only vehicles are excluded. If titanic models are not vehicles there could be some fun.

[LordPathos]

I love it.

[nintendofilo]

Quick question, it says on a successful wound it does its ability, would this mean after doing a successful wound roll it still goes through even if the armor save works after?

[jesses]

I'm pretty stoked for this so far. The parasitic rules are lackluster but it's statline is pretty decent.

High points for me:

- 6+1 attacks hitting on a 2+ and S5 is going to blender most chaff nicely.

- 16" move, fly, and that offensive profile means it's going to function as an excellent support character assassin. This thing is going to be excellent at just wholesale removing techpriests, fireblades, crypteks, etc from the table. Especially since it looks to be on a 50mm base like the Hive Guard, so it's going to be easy to fit into areas a big model cant.

- Mobile Synapse that isn't a flyrant? Thank the Hive Mind.

- The Ripper spawning is eh, but it's going to be shockingly easy to turn off Objective Secured. Note the order of operations: once wounded they are infected, once infected they no longer have Objective Secured. They might shake it off, but that's in the command phase. You get a guaranteed ObSec drop at the end of your turn. Yes it relies on you hitting, wounding, and them failing their save but against the chaff this is clearly meant to go after that shouldn't be hard. Against most big infantry blobs (us, IG, cultists, etc) that's a 2+/2+ and then they get a 6+ save. Not guantanteed but then again its a very powerful ability.

If this thing gets any kind of re-rolls or other abilities it's just gravy for me. Obviously this will be VERY points dependent but so is freaking everything so whatever.

[jesses]

Mar 8, 2022 20:58:59 GMT nintendofilo said:

Quick question, it says on a successful wound it does its ability, would this mean after doing a successful wound roll it still goes through even if the armor save works after?

This is going to need an immediate FAQ because it's annoyingly ambiguous.

I can see the argument for it meaning a successful wound roll, but my bet is you actually have to plug the wound through the save/FNP etc to make it count.

[hivefleetkerrigan]

Mar 8, 2022 20:16:52 GMT piersonsmuppet said:

Model is decent looking, was expecting something more detailed though.

Might be better to break this out into another thread but I've wondered about how to make nids more detailed. For non nids, they can just add extra decorations (grenades, purity seals, etc). What would be a good way to make nids more detailed?

(Asking as I don't know and am curious about your thoughts)

[asvic]

Mar 8, 2022 20:58:59 GMT nintendofilo said:

Quick question, it says on a successful wound it does its ability, would this mean after doing a successful wound roll it still goes through even if the armor save works after?

I actually re-read the rules of attacking sequence, and yes, you don't have to deal damage to "succesfully wound". So against 3t it's 2+ 2+, and 4-5t it's 2+ 3+ and voila - parasites! 3++ 5+++? I don't care, get infected.

[gigasnail]

ehhhh let's see the whole package, but yes the remove obsec is the interesting feature. have to see where they end on the the timing rules.

[nintendofilo]

Mar 8, 2022 21:10:49 GMT asvic said:

Mar 8, 2022 20:58:59 GMT nintendofilo said:

Quick question, it says on a successful wound it does its ability, would this mean after doing a successful wound roll it still goes through even if the armor save works after?

I actually re-read the rules of attacking sequence, and yes, you don't have to deal damage to "succesfully wound". So against 3t it's 2+ 2+, and 4-5t it's 2+ 3+ and voila - parasites! 3++ 5+++? I don't care, get infected.

Yeah this is what I Wass thinking which makes the implant attack much better, still not the biggest game changer. Small nitpick is that when dealing with parasites one becomes "infested" instead of "infected"... Medical facts haha

[ddt]

If there is a means to fallback and then charge again in the new codex I think it has potential. Aim to infect multiple units with DoTs and have annoying units of rippers running around. Shame they're not ob-sec anymore.

[asvic]

Mar 8, 2022 21:56:34 GMT ddt said:

If there is a means to fallback and then charge again in the new codex I think it has potential. Aim to infect multiple units with DoTs and have annoying units of rippers running around. Shame they're not ob-sec anymore.

They wouldn't be obsec anyway, as summoned units are not part of a detachment, and obsec is usually a detachment ability.

[ddt]

I know it's old fashioned but using Chaff to lock up shooting units still has a page in my play-book.

[hivemind03]

If it infects on a successful wound roll and not on successful damage then it is much better.

Ovipositor aside, as long as it is not overcosted(which should go without saying), then it is not garbage. Synapse on a winged character that can benefit from Look Out Sir is good by itself and it's statline is not bad.

I'm optimistic that it will have play.

[piersonsmuppet]

Mar 8, 2022 20:32:52 GMT infornography said:

I think we can chill on the bashing for now. What we don't know about it outclasses what we DO know. We have a statline and one weapon. It is guaranteed to have multiple special abilities which we don't know. It might have invuln and/or feel no pain, it might have other abilities that trigger off of infected units creating more rippers, there might be one or more strats based off it. We don't even know what its primary weapon profile looks like. This thing could be a sergeant assassin that then infects the remaining unit. We don't know. Heck it could end up being cheap as beans, we don't know.

For now, reign in the pessimism.

The premiere rule for the PoM is underwhelming and I'd rate it as worse than smite in most circumstances. Opponent chooses resolution timing for infection and giving the opponent power of choice rarely makes for a strong ability in any game I've played. 34% chance to deny Obj Sec for Primaries vs T3 and 28% chance vs T4, and even less for spawning rippers. The ability NEEDS a strat to even make it worth planning for, so I think pessimism is warranted until that shows itself.

Also, I don't think it is going to be cheap as beans with what has been showcased. Will likely be >125pts (can't see it less than BL now), but I'll guess ~150pts due to the wings, special attack, poss ++ Sv, and unshowcased Link.