Tyrannofex glow up

[purestrain]

Tyrannofex guns! The tfex is losing the "double-shoot if stationary" rule, but the guns get better for it. also going to BS3

Rupture Cannon: heavy 3, s14, ap-4 Dd6+4

Acid Spray: Heavy d6+6, s6 ap-3 d2

Fleshborer Hive: Assault 30, s5 ap-1 d1... LordPathos your day has arrived!

Stinger salvo going to assault 8 s5 ap-1 1d

[hivemind03]

Acid Spary looking alot less appealing. I hope we keep Pathogenic Slime.

[purestrain]

Mar 6, 2022 14:48:52 GMT hivemind03 said:

Acid Spary looking alot less appealing. I hope we keep Pathogenic Slime.

how exactly?

Before it was 2d6 (so an average of 6) s7 ap-1 d3 D

Now its 6+d6 s6 ap-3 2d shots.

Profile makes sense for what you shoot it at.

[hivemind03]

I like the reliability of d6+6. But 4 d6 is a lot. Str 7 is also very good. Though th ap-3 will be great. If they are 2 damage with no possibility of going to 3 they will be significantly less scary for my opponents (I play against a lot of damage reduction)

Also I mean it is less appealing compared to the others which look to me like they got more of a (well deserved) boost

Also 2d6 is average 7 unless I've been lied to all my life

[kazetanade]

Mar 6, 2022 15:14:54 GMT hivemind03 said:

I like the reliability of d6+6. But 4 d6 is a lot. Str 7 is also very good. Though th ap-3 will be great. If they are 2 damage with no possibility of going to 3 they will be significantly less scary for my opponents (I play against a lot of damage reduction)

Also I mean it is less appealing compared to the others which look to me like they got more of a (well deserved) boost

Also 2d6 is average 7 unless I've been lied to all my life

2d6 average is indeed 7, which is not very different from 6. 

d6+6 has an average of 9.5; a very big difference. 

double shoot was difficult to execute and the only situation where you'd get to consistently double shoot was when you got charged, so I dont call it a big loss. 

S6 from S7 means it doesnt hunt light tanks anymore, but it hunts elites much better now. That profile will basically kill any form of marine, and considering -3 instead of -1, and S6 from S7, most forms of damage reduction would have hit the old version anyway and you'd force less saves through in general due to bad AP. It's 100% upgrade. 

What I would say is that the TFex has finally, finally, finally hit the "walking tank gun platform" niche it's been trying to get to all its life. This thing is literally a Leman Russ now without having to rely on shoot twice. 

[swarm492]

Mine has the flamer due to the previous editions guns obvious limitations. My friends stealth suits can suck it.

[gigasnail]

Oh, my

[hivemind03]

Mar 6, 2022 15:52:44 GMT kazetanade said:

Mar 6, 2022 15:14:54 GMT hivemind03 said:

I like the reliability of d6+6. But 4 d6 is a lot. Str 7 is also very good. Though th ap-3 will be great. If they are 2 damage with no possibility of going to 3 they will be significantly less scary for my opponents (I play against a lot of damage reduction)

Also I mean it is less appealing compared to the others which look to me like they got more of a (well deserved) boost

Also 2d6 is average 7 unless I've been lied to all my life

2d6 average is indeed 7, which is not very different from 6. 

d6+6 has an average of 9.5; a very big difference. 

double shoot was difficult to execute and the only situation where you'd get to consistently double shoot was when you got charged, so I dont call it a big loss. 

S6 from S7 means it doesnt hunt light tanks anymore, but it hunts elites much better now. That profile will basically kill any form of marine, and considering -3 instead of -1, and S6 from S7, most forms of damage reduction would have hit the old version anyway and you'd force less saves through in general due to bad AP. It's 100% upgrade. 

What I would say is that the TFex has finally, finally, finally hit the "walking tank gun platform" niche it's been trying to get to all its life. This thing is literally a Leman Russ now without having to rely on shoot twice. 

I play Acid Spray Tfexes in almost every game and have no problem shooting twice with them.

This version may work about better for you against your opponents but I can tell you for me it is not a big upgrade. Though I will patiently wait and see what strats and other support it gets. I'm just commenting on what I see right now.

[purestrain]

Mar 6, 2022 22:34:24 GMT hivemind03 said:

Mar 6, 2022 15:52:44 GMT kazetanade said:

2d6 average is indeed 7, which is not very different from 6. 

d6+6 has an average of 9.5; a very big difference. 

double shoot was difficult to execute and the only situation where you'd get to consistently double shoot was when you got charged, so I dont call it a big loss. 

S6 from S7 means it doesnt hunt light tanks anymore, but it hunts elites much better now. That profile will basically kill any form of marine, and considering -3 instead of -1, and S6 from S7, most forms of damage reduction would have hit the old version anyway and you'd force less saves through in general due to bad AP. It's 100% upgrade. 

What I would say is that the TFex has finally, finally, finally hit the "walking tank gun platform" niche it's been trying to get to all its life. This thing is literally a Leman Russ now without having to rely on shoot twice. 

I play Acid Spray Tfexes in almost every game and have no problem shooting twice with them.

This version may work about better for you against your opponents but I can tell you for me it is not a big upgrade. Though I will patiently wait and see what strats and other support it gets. I'm just commenting on what I see right now.

I find it funny/hard to believe your opponent is dumb enough to move within 18" of your double shooting auto hit gun. but if its a thing we still dont know a few things like range, stratagems or hive fleet sub adaptations

[xtztxtxz]

Did anyone summon LordPathos yet?

By my math that Fleshborer Hive is 50% more effective against MEQ (4.3 -> 6.5 wounds) despite losing 10 shots. And that's before we find out tfexes have some new stratagem to reroll wounds or something {speculation}

[LordPathos]

Wasnt there a rumor that Exo and Tyranno get the effects of single minded devastation but as an action in the movement phase that completes in the shooting?

[purestrain]

Mar 6, 2022 23:41:23 GMT LordPathos said:

Wasnt there a rumor that Exo and Tyranno get the effects of single minded devastation but as an action in the movement phase that completes in the shooting?

That one is apart of the 4chan extreme salt edition rumours that are basically BS, double shoot is seemingly out of the book but you never know.

[jesses]

Yeah I thought the 4chan rumours I posted here had been thoroughly debunked by more trusted sources. Too bad, was some good stuff in there.

If Stinger Salvo is 8 shots on everything that can take it that is a HUGE increase in firepower. Literally doubles the output of a Tervigon, and puts some nice extra shots out for both Harpies and Hive Crones.

[hivemind03]

Mar 6, 2022 23:25:16 GMT purestrain said:

Mar 6, 2022 22:34:24 GMT hivemind03 said:

I play Acid Spray Tfexes in almost every game and have no problem shooting twice with them.

This version may work about better for you against your opponents but I can tell you for me it is not a big upgrade. Though I will patiently wait and see what strats and other support it gets. I'm just commenting on what I see right now.

I find it funny/hard to believe your opponent is dumb enough to move within 18" of your double shooting auto hit gun. but if its a thing we still dont know a few things like range, stratagems or hive fleet sub adaptations

Sure that must be it. Either my friends are dumb or I'm a liar or something. Those are the only explanations.

[r34dy5t34dydr4w]

And here we go... again. How long until this thread gets locked and Yoritomo just bans any discussion about leaks at all?