2000 Shooty Nids & Choppy GSC

[harrybo]

I’ve got a tournament coming up next week and I’m considering taking a combination of Nids & GSC rather than pure of either. Is this likely to be a good idea, remains to be seen but the rough list I’m looking at is as follows

Tyranids - Patrol -2cp - Hive Fleet Kronos

Hive Tyrant - wings, pair of Deathspitters, monstrous rending claws - 195
Powers - Catalyst, Smite & undecided

Warriors x 5 - Deathspitters, Boneswords, Bio weapon bond - 145

Warriors x 5 - Deathspitters, Boneswords, Bio weapon bond - 145

Hive Guard x 6 - Impaler cannons - 300

Hive Guard x 6 - Impaler cannons - 300

Total - 1085


GSC - Battalion - Twisted Helix

Patriarch - Familiar, relic - Unwilling Orb, warlord trait - Preternatural Speed - 150
Powers - Mass Hypnosis, Smite, Mind Control

Primus - relic - Amulet, warlord trait - Biomorph Adaption - 80

Acolytes x 15 - A Trap Sprung, 6 x rock drills, Lashwhip & Bonesword - 215

Acolytes x 5 - 5 x hand flamers - 60

Acolytes x 5 - 5 x hand flamers - 60

Pure strains x 10 - They came from below - 150
Pure strains x 10 - 140

Total - 855

I have 60 points left to play with and many different options available. Not sure if it’s worth adding another 5 man action monkey unit of acolytes with hand flamers for 60.

Could also swap out 1 unit of hive guard for 2 Harpies plus 10 points, I like the idea of having two units of hive guard for a solid shooting back line and to blow anyone off the middle of the table hopefully but I’m open to swapping one unit out potentially if it means easier scoring of engage or behind enemy lines with the harpies, although I am aware they are not that survivable outside of crusher stampede.

Also do you think Kronos is a good choice of hive fleet here? As much as I like Leviathan for all it’s exclusive extras I’m not sure if I need any of them in this list.

Thanks in advance guys! I’d really appreciate your inputs

[harrybo]

Should also mention that due to an extra GSC relic and warlord trait I’d start with only 8cp. Is that too low considering how many you need to fuel an army like this.

[ausnid]

I’m not across GSC so won’t comment on that, but first up I’d change the load out on the tyrant. Desthspitters are a suboptimal choice - if you want him to shoot small things go with devourers, if you want him to shoot bigger things give him a venom cannon.

The two warrior squads are a bit of a halfway house as well - assuming you want the two bio weapon bonds (one for each hive guard) I would drop them to three and go barebones, save some points you can use elsewhere.

[afewveiws]

I agree that the tyrant and warriors need to be adjusted but for different reasons and in different ways.

The tyrant could easily lose the wings since you have no reason for forward synapse and could use a cannon (probably a HVC). The other arm slot could stay mrc or go to deathspitters (for the range) or devs (for weight of numbers).

The warriors could also use cannons if you intend them to be do damage but dont need any wargear if you only want them for action monkey and link. Its a choice but right now they belong in a more aggressive, forward list so wont do much in yours. Could see them as a counter charge unit or a speed bump but in that case they unit size is too small.

[kazetanade]

Bring Tyranids in their strongest config without their supporting tools? Why?

Gsc WLT RLC are useless for you. They don't improve your charging, they don't improve your output.

The combination is a good idea (before our codex, definitely our strongest) but your config is really bad.

There are 3 things you want to leverage from GSC:

TCBF Purestrains for speed and reliable flank clearer.

ATS charger for specific threat removal. Maybe 10-15 Acolytes, maybe 5-10 Abbies. Whatever you find usable.

Cheap action monkeys that can double as a charger.

From Nids you want full rerolls on HG/Devs and exploding Devilgants. You want a Flyrant that is either tough as nails to kill or will tear through invuls (since both factions bounce off invuls). And you definitely want Leviathan more than Kronos as you far outperform the damage portion of Kronos with nearly no loss.

What I'd recommend on your GSC side:

TWISTED HELIX
- Purestrains 1x10 with TCFB
- Goliath Truck with 1x10 Metamorphs
- Acolytes 1x15 with Saws/Drills/Cutters (up to you based on your matchup expectations. But 6Drills with MfB is 18A, which is 12 saves straight and usually 6 mortals).
- 2x5 Acos with nothing
- Kellermorph just for some backline weak obsec holder hunting.

[piersonsmuppet]

I actually like Kronos for the split instead of Levi. rr1’s w/+1 to hit is same as full rr’s /w +1 to hit on HG and overall output is better in Kronos than Levi for 2 HG. Should prob bump the tyrant to a Neuro or BL, give it Barb and Symbio, and put 2xER on the HG (making BL the better choice).