1000 point Crusher Stampede List

[ausnid]

So, have started playing with Crusher Stampede lists - starting small at 1000 points which i realise may not be optimal size for the army. 
So far, have given serious thought to a couple of variants, Leviathan fleet. Pre the new GT missions, I was going with:  

Swarmy - Crusher psychic with 4++ and +d3 attacks spell
Scythed Heirodule with adaptation to regen once he eats stuff in combat
9 warriors, deathspitters and venom cannons plus talons, with enhanced resistance, bioweapon bond and the +1 to WS/BS pre game strat
Neuro with void crown - Catalyst + one other nid spell. Chapter master warlord trait.
Mawloc
3 raveners

Pretty straight forward, and hopefully relatively self explanatory - camp on an objective with warrior blobs, apply pressure with Swarmy and Heirodule, and the raveners and Mawloc disrupt and pinch objectives. Void crown opens up pyschic secondaries, with usually going killy secondaries or a cheeky stranglehold depending on match up.

With the new missions, the above looks a little light on action ability/secondaries, so was considering a move to:

Swarmy - Crusher psychic with 4++ and +d3 attacks spell

Scythed Heirodule with adaptation to regen once he eats stuff in combat

4 warriors barebones but with bioweapon bond and enhanced resistance
3 warriors barebones
Neuro with void crown - Catalyst + one other nid spell - not sure of warlord trait though as the rerolls previously went on the warrior blob?

Mawloc

Harpy

Warriors are now more hidey/action monkeys, Harpy brought in for first turn disruption/movement reach. Would welcome thoughts....thanks in advance!

[piersonsmuppet]

I think your prospective lists are over 1000pts. The first I get 1044 and the second is 1024, they wouldn't be legal for Incursion sized missions.

SL is only okay for Incursion missions, and you really don't have anything other than SL to use the sling. I'd suggest taking a Flyrant with 2xMRC, Size, AG, TS, +d3A WLT, and Biomorphic Carapace. A Flyrant kitted like this can do some serious work at 1000pts. 2nd list looks the better of the two and can fit the Flyrant in to become a legal list.

[ausnid]

Oops sorry my deep - it’s a scythed rather than barbed hierodul, so points are fine and that’s really what swarmy launches.... any further c&c?

[piersonsmuppet]

ER is a wasted CP on warriors in CS, unless you have a BL giving them a 3+ in shooting & melee. Save it for one of the Chitin Strats, or using the Levi strat to Action & shoot with List #1.

Mawloc pts could be better used elsewhere as it doesn't have any offense and Incursion isn't usually spread enough to utilize Terror very well. Flyers work better for Levi CS since a Mawloc can't be given Obj Sec when it enters, so the opponent just needs to keep a Troop unit on the back objective and the Mawloc doesn't do anything the turn it enters. That's why the Flyrant is bonkers with -1Dmg in Incursion, the opponent has to throw everything at it for a turn or two just to not lose their home objective for the entire game as the Flyrant can give itself Obj Sec.

List #2 is by far the better option if you just want opinions on the two lists presented (Harpy are fantastic in CS), but SL is a weak choice for either list. Trading the SL for a Flyrant and dropping the Mawloc would open the option to take a Tyrannofex/Exocrine/Haruspex (or Harpy in List #1) and would improve either list by a good margin.

List #1 has the problem that the two units with the biggest footprint (Warriors/Dule) are competing for space in the mid-board. I think there will times the list trips over itself trying to move into the middle.

That said, it all depends on how set you are on taking SL.

[ausnid]

Cheers - yeah I'm torn on SL. The first turn upside of being able to fling the dule straight into the enemy is pretty good (without him, unless the opp messes up deployment you are only getting a harpy into something, and maybe a flyrant with lucky charge rolls - and even with the breaking through strat the harpy is really only tying something up rather than wrecking face.

I take your point on the mawloc, but its not just the enemy home objective that he goes after, its basically any objective where my big boys are not that doesnt have obsec on it - on it. Will have a think about going for the flyrant - sounds like I'll have to get used to not having the hive commander ability anyway soon...