First list in over 4 years: 1K Crusher Stampede

[randychaz]

Hey all,

I've put together this list from what models I've picked up as I remember liking them when I last built a list and from what I have from a Kill Team I started a couple of years ago, but not actually played yet. Any suggestions?



++ Patrol Detachment 0CP (Tyranids) [52 PL, 999pts, 6CP] ++

+ Configuration +

Army of Renown - Crusher Stampede

Battle Size [6CP]: 2. Incursion (51-100 Total PL / 501-1000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost

Gametype: Matched

Hive Fleet: Leviathan

+ HQ +

The Swarmlord [12 PL, 240pts]: Power: Infused Energies, Power: Smite, Power: Synaptic Barrier, Warlord

+ Troops +

Tyranid Warriors [5 PL, 96pts]: Adrenal Glands, Synaptic Link: Bioweapon Bond
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Lash Whip and Bonesword
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Lash Whip and Bonesword
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Lash Whip and Bonesword

Tyranid Warriors [5 PL, 93pts]: Synaptic Link: Bioweapon Bond
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Scything Talons
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Scything Talons
. Tyranid Warrior (Bio-cannon): Scything Talons, Venom Cannon

+ Elites +

Haruspex [8 PL, 155pts]
. Adaptive Physiology: Murderous Size

Hive Guard [14 PL, 250pts]
. 5x Hive Guard (Impaler): 5x Impaler Cannon

+ Flyer +

Harpy [8 PL, 165pts]: 2x Heavy Venom Cannon

++ Total: [52 PL, 999pts, 6CP] ++

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I don't plan to buy any FW stuff, is there anything else I should consider in the next 500-1000pts?

Thanks for looking.

[kubimaniac]

I would probably change the carnifex to a dakka one (even with OOE, I don't see a reason to get a melee one and you can also spend more points this way, reduce warrior points first).

If you are planning to go for a CS list for 2k points, outside the models you mentioned (swarmy, trygon and more warriors), you will need a Tyrant for sure. And a Harpy or two can surely help.

Keep in mind that the codex will be coming soon though.

[randychaz]

Oh will it? I kind of figured that given the recent leviathan supplement and crusher stampede army of renown that we may be on the back burner given those updates. Are harpies any good now? I remember them being a bit meh in 8th and flyrants were better? For a dakka fed, which are the preferred weapons now? Still deathspitters? Would it be better to have a unit of those and a tyrant/flyrant instead of old one eye?

[kubimaniac]

New codex is coming after the Aeldari, so probably an April release (late March, who knows?).

Harpies, beefy Trygon and Hierodules are the big winners of Crusher Stampede. A flyrant is still good and I use one myself (the swordrant inspired by Kaze) but now that Harpies have a 5++ and DR, they are good mobile shooting platforms that can go for an objective if you wish or deliver 6 MWs to a unit.

Personally I only use Devourers for monsters because I have yet to find a purpose for the extra +1S, +1AP and +6" range, but if you are up against specific army lists, why not?

[randychaz]

Ah cool, thanks for the tips, I always like flyers so it's good to know the harpy is viable atm, at least till the new codex, then who knows 😂

[kazetanade]

My Harpies only ever get to shoot on T1 - T2 onwards they are always falling back into an objective or charging into somebody's face.

Their main strengths are from Leviathan Supplement to be made Obsec for an obj steal, and CS strategem for MWs on the charge - its a solid 6 MWs most times they charge a long as its infantry. With a combination of shooting from Stranglers, MWs on the charge, and a bit of melee, the Harpy is very potent at consistently stealing or denying points from your enemy. However, don't expect to actually do reliable damage with it, and relying on its gun platform role to turn games will lead to disappointments. Much like Carnifexen, its very supportive guns. Both the Strangler and the Venom.

Leviathan gives you a really good tool in rerollable hits for Infantry, goes great with HG so finishing that unit is a good investment. I could rattle on on why HG are great (hint: its not because they do tonnes of damage, although they sometimes can), but They are rumoured to be nerfed pretty badly in new codex so I wouldn't go too far in on them. Certainly not Mani Cheema 18.

The Haruspex is a surprise surprise monster that has done EXCELLENT for me with its buffs from BoB (rolled into the Leviathan supplement book), Leviathan, and Crusher Stampede. But primarily from Crusher Stampede.

I usually load mine up with the Murderous Size adaptation on its Shovelling Claws to get to S8 ap-2 Dd3+1, which is super consistent on the 4d3A. He gets all 3 CS spells as they're fantastic for him (or a strat to reroll hits if that fails). He gets Catalyst too just to be extra survivable. He gets +1 to hit from a Warrior Synaptic Link to be more accurate, gets launched by Swarmlord, then gets Voracious Appetite to reroll wounds.

In total:
+1S/ap/D,+d3A,+1 to hit, reroll hits, reroll wounds, and exploding 6s to hit if you need it, with 4++ 5+++ and double move before charge. Also naturally gets extra A with a big weapon for every model killed, which helps him absolutely murder hordes. It's a lot of buffs, but this unit single-handedly won me my games so far, EVEN WHEN I failed half its buffs. The only game it HASNT won me was a positional error where I placed SL too far away to launch him into the right target, and hence sacrificed way too much for less efficient means of doing the same thing.

Based on what we see on the Haruspex's leaked datasheet he only gets better, so he's worth getting.

[piersonsmuppet]

Trygon Prime's Link can be useful with multiple Harpies, Fallback/Shoot/Charge is great on them if they are mostly ignored while they tie something up.

Haruspex works great with a Malceptor as well, the -1S bubble has made my Haruspex hit the charge at the top damage chart in the two games I lost the roll-off and had to eat 1-2 turns of shooting at it. The link is also more effective than the Warrior Link, as it gains overall effectiveness instead of loses with rr's and also stacks with the CS anti-Monster/Vehicle strat (+1hit/+1wound/+1dmg roll). Not something I would try to fit solely for synergy with the Haruspex, but can work well if you have multiple T8 Monsters and/or d3/d6 weapons. For example, my friendlier CS list runs a Haruspex, Toxicrene, Acid-Fex, Exo, and two 2x MRC Tyrants, and the Malceptor helps with durability and dmg output since unit redundancy doesn't exist in the list. A Tyrant with Size, MRC, and 6-10 attacks loves rr dmg, makes for easy Dread killing.

kazetanade , I think you mean Size on Ravenous Maw.

Edit: To go more towards the original question, I would suggest going with Haruspex, Tyrannofex, & Harpy. Then you can wait for the Codex to drop to see what weapon you want to model on the Tyrannofex (if you don't want to magnetize), or possibly build the Tervigon if the Gant spawn rumors hold true (very useful for CS getting 5++ Gants if your group/TO allow it). A Tyrant box would also be great for SL to throw Monsters around.

[randychaz]

I hope HG don't get nerfed, I love those guys hiding somewhere and still shooting anything in range!

Ok, so I think I'll build the exocrine as a haruspex, swap out the fex for a harpy (and hold off building them till the new codex), and then take swarmy to throw the haruspex forward. Then see how things are in the new codex before going up to 2K.

[kubimaniac]

You should magnetise the exocrine. It's easy and you never know if haruspex is going to be sad again (like pre CS).

[randychaz]

Yeah that was going to be the plan as I remember you effectively just swap heads.

[kazetanade]

Feb 9, 2022 13:35:06 GMT randychaz said:

Yeah that was going to be the plan as I remember you effectively just swap heads.

Place the Claws lower or msgnetize them too. I bought mine 2nd hand and Claws are too high, can't fit the Haruspex head into the slot. Also spindly arms looks bad on Haru.

[randychaz]

Ah cool, I'll see what I can do. Currently everything is on back order atm anyway, hopefully stock comes back this month, but knowing my luck it won't be till the new codex drops lol

[piersonsmuppet]

New list's points are a little off from current values, see below:

SL - 240
2x3 War w/ Link, 2xDS, 1xVC, ST (I assume TS was this) - 186
x6 HG - 300
x1 Haruspex - 155
x1 Harpy w/ HVC - 165
-- Total 1046 --

I'd suggest the following change:
SL
3x3 War /w Link, 2xST
x5 HG
x1 Haruspex
X1 Harpy w/ STC
-- 998 --

I think dropping 1 HG for another Warrior unit gives the list a bit more Obj/Action power as opposed to 2 IC shots.

[randychaz]

Feb 10, 2022 15:33:26 GMT piersonsmuppet said:

New list's points are a little off from current values, see below:

SL - 240
2x3 War w/ Link, 2xDS, 1xVC, ST (I assume TS was this) - 186
x6 HG - 300
x1 Haruspex - 155
x1 Harpy w/ HVC - 165
-- Total 1046 --

I'd suggest the following change:
SL
3x3 War /w Link, 2xST
x5 HG
x1 Haruspex
X1 Harpy w/ STC
-- 998 --

I think dropping 1 HG for another Warrior unit gives the list a bit more Obj/Action power as opposed to 2 IC shots.

Oh right, I was using the points shown on the enhanced digital codex on my ipad. I'm still awaiting my leviathan supplement if points have changed in there?

The HG were shown as 18 each + 25pts for IC, so 43pts each
Haruspex was 150 with the exocrine as 155
As for the warriors I had them with 2 deathspitters, a venom cannon, 3 boneswords and 3 toxin sacs in each unit.

If the points have changed that's a ball ache, I'll have to wait till the back orders come in and get sent before finalising the list.

Also, given your above list I'd need a 4th monster unit due to the CS rules, so I'd probably combine the warriors and stick with a patrol detachment.

[piersonsmuppet]

That's what I get for making the list in my head, easy enough to go x6 HG, 2x4 Warriors (max out unit durability while maintaining 1 CP Transhuman), or 1x9 Warriors w/ guns. LW&BS has been better than BS in 9E so far imo, fight after dying provides much more impact than 1A. If the new Codex LWs follow GSC, RR wounds will probably be more worthwhile than 1A. TSs are very expensive for the effect on Warriors, though they might become worth the points if LWs gain rr wounds. AG are a much better upgrade to take first when rounding a list out, extra movement always helps.

CA 2022 released a few weeks ago contains all the current pts for all factions. Battlescribe & Wahapedia are great free resources which have all the current pts values for Nids updated.