Valrak Nid rumours

[decad7]

Leaks from 4 channels

>Red Terror is indeed the new model
>Crusher Brood will remain legal, it is an army of renown
>Leviathan Supplement now invalidated
>Trygon Primes are finally HQ
>Tervigon can no longer spawn infinite gaunts, instead it has a "pool" you can spawn up to (note: NOT requisition points like summining daemons, its a seperate mechanic) you can increase this pool size and the guns the gaunts can spawn with (as well as what type of gaunt!) with a unique adaptation upgrade (like character upgrades, tau signiature systems etc), it needs to perform an action to spawn gaunts
>Hive Guard can no longer shoot though walls normally, it is now a stratagem

[infornography]

Feb 2, 2022 23:23:10 GMT decad7 said:

Leaks from 4 channels

>Red Terror is indeed the new model
>Crusher Brood will remain legal, it is an army of renown
>Leviathan Supplement now invalidated
>Trygon Primes are finally HQ
>Tervigon can no longer spawn infinite gaunts, instead it has a "pool" you can spawn up to (note: NOT requisition points like summining daemons, its a seperate mechanic) you can increase this pool size and the guns the gaunts can spawn with (as well as what type of gaunt!) with a unique adaptation upgrade (like character upgrades, tau signiature systems etc), it needs to perform an action to spawn gaunts
>Hive Guard can no longer shoot though walls normally, it is now a stratagem

Thanks! I hate it.

Rather Crusher Brood remaining legal is good but expected.
I like the Tervigon part. Makes sense and sounds promising, all depending on cost of course.
Getting a plastic Red Terror is nice ... I guess, but far from my highest priority resin kit to retire.

Everything else is terrible.
Trygon Primes becoming HQ just means it is less likely I will ever take one because we have so many solid HQs. I'd rather have the synapse option under Heavy Support or Fast Attack.
Leviathan Supplement being invalidated already saddens me greatly.
And I triple hate the Hive Guard change. First off, they COULDN'T shoot through walls normally, they had to take a very expensive specialized gun to do so. Making that ability a strategem just feeds into strategem bloat and removes an ability that SHOULD be tied to the piece of gear instead of costing CP. And this represents a significant nerf to one of our primary carrys. That would not bode well for the rest of the codex.

I sincerely hope this particular rumor turns out to be false.

[omnivore]

Red terror has no wings. I take these with a lot of salt.

[hivefleetkerrigan]

It's a 4 chan "leak". It's likely a troll, IMO

[jesses]

The teased model had wings. The only way THAT is The Red Terror is if it is a fundamentally new concept for the RT that basically only keeps the name. We would be talking a redesign as drastic as Pariahs becoming Lychguard in the 5th ed Necron codex.

I call BS, but it's 4chumps so I was gonna call BS anyways lol.

[hivemind03]

I wouldn't want Crusher Stamped to stay legal. It would make balancing MCs hard.

[swarm492]

Its possible its a the red terror and parasite of mortrex could be made from the same kit

[TheDeepestShadow]

Feb 3, 2022 2:57:03 GMT hivemind03 said:

I wouldn't want Crusher Stamped to stay legal. It would make balancing MCs hard.

This sentiment confuses me. Currently all the top Crusher Stampede lists are still heavily leaning into Forgeworld, so why would it be bad if the actual Codex Monsters feel like real choices in comparison? There is little to no data on how well Crusher Stampede plays the new missions, and the upcoming Tau and Eldar Codexes have plenty of tools to delete even Crusher Hierodules with little issue. There are definitely things that need tuning like Breaking Through, but the perception of CS being too strong I feel is more because it's another (intentionally) skew list by design, and is more straightforward to play for most people than the Leviathan swarm, leading to higher winrates. Given time the meta will adjust to deal with it and then everyone will be complaining about something else.

In addition, as of yet there is no precedent with any AoRs or Supplements getting invalidated by the release of a 9th Ed Codex; in fact, most have come out at the same time or even before the Codexes and all are able to function. On the flipside, the Octarius book containing Synaptic Links and Crusade Rules definitely does make it seem like it was originally intended to be a holdover for a much later Codex, but this still is nowhere near definitive evidence that invalidation is inevitable either.

Regarding the leaks, some parts seem more plausible than others, but I do think this is mainly just trolling now that the Codex hype has hit. Seems way too convenient that the leaks would come now as opposed to before IMO.

[dcoy]

Feb 2, 2022 23:23:10 GMT decad7 said:

Leaks from 4 channels

>Red Terror is indeed the new model
>Crusher Brood will remain legal, it is an army of renown
>Leviathan Supplement now invalidated
>Trygon Primes are finally HQ
>Tervigon can no longer spawn infinite gaunts, instead it has a "pool" you can spawn up to (note: NOT requisition points like summining daemons, its a seperate mechanic) you can increase this pool size and the guns the gaunts can spawn with (as well as what type of gaunt!) with a unique adaptation upgrade (like character upgrades, tau signiature systems etc), it needs to perform an action to spawn gaunts
>Hive Guard can no longer shoot though walls normally, it is now a stratagem

Why would the Leviathan Supplement be invalidated?  It is a 9th edition book.

[asvic]

Feb 3, 2022 6:30:13 GMT dcoy said:

Feb 2, 2022 23:23:10 GMT decad7 said:

Leaks from 4 channels

>Red Terror is indeed the new model
>Crusher Brood will remain legal, it is an army of renown
>Leviathan Supplement now invalidated
>Trygon Primes are finally HQ
>Tervigon can no longer spawn infinite gaunts, instead it has a "pool" you can spawn up to (note: NOT requisition points like summining daemons, its a seperate mechanic) you can increase this pool size and the guns the gaunts can spawn with (as well as what type of gaunt!) with a unique adaptation upgrade (like character upgrades, tau signiature systems etc), it needs to perform an action to spawn gaunts
>Hive Guard can no longer shoot though walls normally, it is now a stratagem

Why would the Leviathan Supplement be invalidated?  It is a 9th edition book.

    I guess lots of it will be just baked into the new codex.

[garg]

Feb 3, 2022 4:03:07 GMT TheDeepestShadow said:

Feb 3, 2022 2:57:03 GMT hivemind03 said:

I wouldn't want Crusher Stamped to stay legal. It would make balancing MCs hard.

This sentiment confuses me. Currently all the top Crusher Stampede lists are still heavily leaning into Forgeworld, so why would it be bad if the actual Codex Monsters feel like real choices in comparison?

Even without breaking through the base rules of 5++/-1d and wounds count as models are very strong. I would much rather these rules added sparingly to individual models. All our monsters maybe bar the standard carnifex are at least okay in CS but many are bad in a normal list. If you but then to okay or even good outside of CS then they could quickly get very oppressive.

[acehilator]

The model with the wings is not the new Red Terror. There was a rumor engine a while back with the unique tail end of the current Red Terror (pincer with single spike, very little armor plating). Unless it's master level trolling, they kept the design for the new one.

[swarm492]

With a new official mini at the very least the units rules should get better. I loved the red terror back in 3rd.

[TheDeepestShadow]

Feb 3, 2022 11:10:33 GMT garg said:

Feb 3, 2022 4:03:07 GMT TheDeepestShadow said:

This sentiment confuses me. Currently all the top Crusher Stampede lists are still heavily leaning into Forgeworld, so why would it be bad if the actual Codex Monsters feel like real choices in comparison?

Even without breaking through the base rules of 5++/-1d and wounds count as models are very strong. I would much rather these rules added sparingly to individual models. All our monsters maybe bar the standard carnifex are at least okay in CS but many are bad in a normal list. If you but then to okay or even good outside of CS then they could quickly get very oppressive.

Unless there are massive durability buffs to each datasheet I do not believe it would be too oppressive, just based on the sheer damage output that many existing and upcoming armies can bring. Being "OK" in CS currently just means that they can be considered unironically in a competitive list if you need to fill points or lack FW models.

Drukhari has been at the top of the meta in various forms since their releases, and they still have a better version of CS with Thicc City. Dreadnoughts have also been incredibly prevalent, and especially with Black Templars which essentially have the same durability buffs. We don't know how things will change for the Codex, so I think it is premature to assume that CS or Octarius stuff would not be compatible or be too overwhelming with it. And if it is, then much like any other army we'll continue have our time in the sun and then get nerfed.

[LordPathos]

Trygon Prime being an HQ seems odd to me. But the stuff about Hive Guard and the Tervigon makes perfect sense to me.

GK Purgation units cannot fire without line of sight by default anymore. So it coming as a stratagem makes sense. Also a Tervigon spawning Gaunts as an action is pretty much a no brainer as well. I like the idea that you have a pool of Gaunts you can spawn and it doesnt cost reinforcement points. Hopefully they dont increase the price to account for those Gaunts. Plus a unit upgrade that lets you change the pool size OR what kind of Gaunts come out? That's super interesting and I like the idea.