Atelan Madmax Roids?

[niiai]

Sorry for the clickbait title.

Atelan Jackals come with a wole host of good rues from before. Including -1 to hit, core and pre-game move of 9 and a move of 14. They cna flal back shoot and charge. But what if we made then even more thougher? Pauper prices has a has a aura of 5++. (Does not work that well with the pre-game move.) Bladed Cog can give them 5++ (for CP.) The good doctor can give one of them 5+++ before the game starts.

Make them though. Do the pre-game move (9"). Move your regular 14". Now you are 23" out. Then shoot and charge. All of them can have a power weapon pushing them to S4 (5 of you are twisted helix.) A unit of 8 bikes and 2 wolf quads, all with power weapon are 174 points.

They can hang out with purestrain genstealers with they came from below (150 points.)

Genius? Pipedream? Somwhere in between?

[purestrain]

They hit decent enough, its just a little bit of setup required, having meticulous planner on them and the pures you send into to combat will boost their abilities exceptionally. if you can help it might from beyond, because so far from what I've seen pures just blend even without MFB

[acehilator]

Worth trying for sure. Might be a problem with coherency and even fitting the models where you want them for fighting, and Jackals are not infantry, so more hassle moving them (depending on the table setup).

[hivemind03]

I'll be testing melee bikes early on. To me bikes seem super high value at 12 ppm. I'm hesitant to bump them up 25% but it would be fun if its good

[niiai]

All valid points. And I am so stuck thinking about their roof (how good they are when things go great) I am not considering the floor (where they just die.) But they really are an unique unit!

[gorsameth]

You can invest a lot into improving Jackals but the question you have to ask is why? What are they doing for you after all that investment? They are good and have a good place with their speed and ability to grant Exposed via a strat but their output is limited. All that investment you put into Jackals could go somewhere else instead.

Is your CP best spend on giving Jackals a 5++ or would it be better if a block of Abberants had it?

[niiai]

Good question. Abberants need a delivery system though. These are relativly self sufficient. And is good to be able to threaten an agressive deployment. If it makes the opponent deploy further back, screen and make a road block it can be quite benfisial. I don't quite know how new cult will play out. But going second could be a problem if the opponent could establish themself well on the table

[kazetanade]

Play it Pauper Princes. They have a natural 5++ aura relic, and make a good case for foot hordes because of it in general.

Now, the issue is that Acolytes are squishy even with a 5++ and don't have the number of bodies to survive the first wave. Neophytes do, are cheap, and can regen D6 a turn with the Iconward, but suffer damage output drops because of Heavy.

Then comes bikes, that do not suffer this penalty. They can come with GLs or just S4 chip, a Grenade for sizeable damage, and a Quad for industrial weapons. They're core, so benefit from the 5++ aura and Primus' buff abilities. Also have a natural -1 to hit which helps their survivability.

Nexos has the ability to project Aura buffs from a Primus, Alphus, or Clamavus to someone else on the map.

Connecting the dots, you can have a thick 10 man Biker unit that's been Nexosed to have a 5++ reroll 1s to hit and to wound, Biophagused for 5+++, comes with natural Exposed when in range, with access to 3+ rr1s to hit and S5 rr1s with cp. The only thing lacking is no. Of attacks, which is pseudo solvable via OTIN plan upgrade or MfB.

And the best kicker? After taking casualties and drawing ire they can retreat - right into an Iconward aura, to regen up to d3 models a turn, meaning free regen Quads. 4 wounds for FREE. This is very good.

[niiai]

You pizzeled those pieces together quite good. I was only thinking within the frame of what I have. But the walking pauper pirces things i great.

If I have 2 Nexos models, can I pick 2 different units?

[kazetanade]

Only 1 nexos per Detachment and I don't think a 2nd gives much value.

A nexos can be given cranial inlay relic to naturally select 2, AND return cp on 5+. The first one is mad value.

[niiai]

Oh yeha, the first one selects two. I forgot about that.

It occored the me that if you are going full on pauper princes horde you might want multiple troop slots. More then what is usual.

[murderfiesta]

<reading comprehension fail>

[acehilator]

Don't know. 120 Neophytes with shotguns and 12 flamers should be enough

[berserkguts]

Actually I do have tried to take 26 bikes(one for 10 bikes, others for 8, and every one got 5++) to against Freebooterz Orks last week, and finally I won this game. But lets be honest, gsc bikes were still fragile and hard to against lots of D1 or D2 guns(even though I moved 2 units in the dense cover for offsetting +1 hit from orks) Orks killed my 20 bikes and 20 purestrain genesetealers just in turn 1. So here is my conclusion: Atalan Jackal is a good unit indeed, and it deserve costing any cps or points to upgrade, but it cant resolve the poor resistance of gsc still.

[kazetanade]

Itz because you forgot the key ingredients- 5+++

Also because bikes have -1 innate too, so in dense it's technically -2. Orks would need +2 just to negate, and +3 to get a positive effect.

THEN THERE'S ALSO +1 TO SAVE... which I guess doesn't amount to much in dense. But it's there!