Nids 2k Leviathan

[Master Chief]

Hi guys,

I would like to know if is possiile to run a list without Malanthrope or Venomthropes.



My idea is:

Hive fleet Leviathan

Batallion Detachment

Bounty of the Hive Fleet, -1 CP

Progeny of the Hive, -1 CP

Alpha Leader Beast, -1 CP



Flyrant, 2x MST, Murderous Size, AG, TS, Smite, Psychic Scream, the Horror, relic Biomorphic Carapace

Swarmlord, Catalyst, Onslaught 

Tyranid Prime, Deathspitter, Lash Whip and Bonesword, relic Adaptive Neural Lobe, WL, Swarm Leader, Strategic Adaptation, Sinaptic Link



16 Genestealers, 4x Acid Maws, 16x RC, 16x ST

16 Genestealers, 4x Acid Maws, 16x RC, 16x ST

18 Hormagaunts

30 Devilgaunts

3x Tyranid Warriors, 6x ST, Synaltic Link

3x Tyranid Warriors, 6x ST, Synaltic Link



6 Hive Guards

6 Hive Guards

1 Lictor



The Tyranid Prime is with deathpitter and lash whip just because I really like the model that way and I want to respect the wysiwyg.

The list has a bit of everything, 12 Hive Guards, 2x Genestealers for decent close combat, Hormagaunts to sacrifice on midfield objective, devilgants for anti infantry and strategic adaptation and a lictor in case we don't go first.

What do you guys think about it??

[zimko]

Yeah it's a good list. I think you're going to run into buff issues trying to buff those Hive Guard and Genestealers. I personally prefer putting the 12 Hive Guard into a Kronos patrol with a Nuerothrope so they can self buff without needing CP or Swarm Leader. You just need to give them Warrior buffs which they were already getting.

[Master Chief]

Jan 16, 2022 17:14:47 GMT zimko said:

Yeah it's a good list. I think you're going to run into buff issues trying to buff those Hive Guard and Genestealers. I personally prefer putting the 12 Hive Guard into a Kronos patrol with a Nuerothrope so they can self buff without needing CP or Swarm Leader. You just need to give them Warrior buffs which they were already getting.

I could get rid of the hormagaunts and bring a Kronos Detachment like this

Neuro
Warriors, link
Warriors, link
Hive Guards
Hive Guards

I'd lose only the hormagaunts and 2 cp for the detachment, but I still keep the Tyranid Prime's link to buff the stealers.

What do you think?

[Master Chief]

Otherwise I can drop the Flyrant (and the 2 cps spent on him) to bring more chaff.

But to be honest I kinda like that thing with murderous size and the -1 to wound.

[cmob208]

I usually find the malanthrope or venomthropes worth it in the end (especially if everything is leviathan) - it gives you basically an auto-win against orks, and a bit extra durability against everything else.

[Master Chief]

Jan 20, 2022 16:42:37 GMT cmob208 said:

I usually find the malanthrope or venomthropes worth it in the end (especially if everything is leviathan) - it gives you basically an auto-win against orks, and a bit extra durability against everything else.

Was thinking about that, but the only not essential thing I can drop from there to maximise the stratagems and the equipments are the Hormagaunts.

Are 3 Venomthropes worth 18 Hormagaunts?

[purestrain]

Better hold off on that dual hive fleet list stuff until the rumor that soup is out is either confirmed or refuted

[Master Chief]

Jan 20, 2022 19:29:24 GMT purestrain said:

Better hold off on that dual hive fleet list stuff until the rumor that soup is out is either confirmed or refuted

There actually is a small paragraph where is written that in matched play is not permitted the soup.

[piersonsmuppet]

Jan 21, 2022 12:34:03 GMT Master Chief said:

There actually is a small paragraph where is written that in matched play is not permitted the soup.

Soup still seems permitted to a degree, but it looks like it has to be around the IMPERIAL, AELDARI, TYRANIDS, or CHAOS keyword. I doubt <HIVE FLEET> is included in the exemptions, so X/Kronos armies are probably out.

I would say that 3 Venomthropes are not worth 18 Horms, they are very important for T1 Obj grabbing. I think the only change to the first list might be to drop TS from the Tyrant and reshuffle the GS/Horms to 1x10 Horm & 3x12 GS. 12-man GS units usually are enough for what they do, especially with a Link buff.

[Master Chief]

Jan 21, 2022 18:20:36 GMT piersonsmuppet said:

Jan 21, 2022 12:34:03 GMT Master Chief said:

There actually is a small paragraph where is written that in matched play is not permitted the soup.

Soup still seems permitted to a degree, but it looks like it has to be around the IMPERIAL, AELDARI, TYRANIDS, or CHAOS keyword. I doubt <HIVE FLEET> is included in the exemptions, so X/Kronos armies are probably out.

I would say that 3 Venomthropes are not worth 18 Horms, they are very important for T1 Obj grabbing. I think the only change to the first list might be to drop TS from the Tyrant and reshuffle the GS/Horms to 1x10 Horm & 3x12 GS. 12-man GS units usually are enough for what they do, especially with a Link buff.

The problem about that is that I have already filled the troop slots in the Batallion.

Bringing 3 smaller units of genestealers I'd have a 7th troop.

[piersonsmuppet]

Maybe swap Horms for Gargs? 3 GS feels like it would be better than 2 just to help trade more.

[Master Chief]

Jan 21, 2022 23:38:53 GMT piersonsmuppet said:

Maybe swap Horms for Gargs? 3 GS feels like it would be better than 2 just to help trade more.

That could be an idea as I love to use Metabolic Overdrive on the Gargs.

Anyway even with the new Chapter Approved (no multiple hive fleets) I think the basic implant of the list will remain:

Swarmlord
Tyranid prime
Genestealers
Genestealers 

Hive guards
Hive guards 
Warriors
Warriors 

Devilgants
Lictor

+other stuff that I like or might be strong

But I really like the synergies above and other than effective I find them fun to play.

[piersonsmuppet]

If you find synergies fun, you definitely should give Gargs/Slashers a try. Levi's original fleet strat is pure gold for 1 CP and makes running smaller units of GS better. Having 1 unit w/ full rr's and auto wound 6's and another with hit/wound rr 1's makes for a rough command phase on the opponent's next turn. I run Zoans, and the hammer/anvil tactic with them works great. Bonus, SL loves rr 1's! I swear, every combat phase I don't have rr's on SL I have 50% hit rolls as 1's (my last game was 3 combats in a row with 3 1's to-hit). Though I run Tyrant Guard as well, so the flyers help me throw full rr's on the Devgants for tesla splosions if the TG can make do with rr'1s and a Warrior Link. You can also do some crazy objective grabbing with Gargs/Slashers using charge move, pile-in, and consolidate after helping a non-flyer wipe something in combat, or they can stay on the objective while you overrun the important unit to safety.