HIERODULE

[kazetanade]

Jan 6, 2022 11:17:21 GMT niiai said:

While we are on the subject. Where in our book do we have D3? For shooting.

All I could find is heavy venom cannon. And that is not very good chassis for it.

3D (as opposed to D3, which can be read as d3D instead) is mostly on the monster melee profiles; in general if you have a lot of 3D profiles in your melee, you dont need it in shooting, assuming you can reach through to the chassis you're trying to kill. Otherwise, the best access to 3D we have is Pathogenic Slime on a Barbed Heirodule or an Exocrene. 

On a side note, Harpies are an OK platform for HVC, considering they can get 3+ to hit from warriors and 2d3 shots each. It's still not ideal and it's no way as strong as other faction's shooting, but it can do some work. I had a pair of harpies disintegrate a sister's organ tank between them. 

[xsquidz]

Jan 6, 2022 15:18:44 GMT kazetanade said:

Jan 6, 2022 11:17:21 GMT niiai said:

While we are on the subject. Where in our book do we have D3? For shooting.

All I could find is heavy venom cannon. And that is not very good chassis for it.

3D (as opposed to D3, which can be read as d3D instead) is mostly on the monster melee profiles; in general if you have a lot of 3D profiles in your melee, you dont need it in shooting, assuming you can reach through to the chassis you're trying to kill. Otherwise, the best access to 3D we have is Pathogenic Slime on a Barbed Heirodule or an Exocrene. 

On a side note, Harpies are an OK platform for HVC, considering they can get 3+ to hit from warriors and 2d3 shots each. It's still not ideal and it's no way as strong as other faction's shooting, but it can do some work. I had a pair of harpies disintegrate a sister's organ tank between them. 

Harpies also got much better in the crusder stampede.  Moving 30", dropping spore mines, doing the shooting above on 3+ (do to warriors), then charge and do the new strat for 6 MW on anthing with T5 or lower almost guaranteed, then it gives the aura of fight last and counts as 12 models to steal an objective.  Plus before it flies off you can make it objective secured if you need to help steal an objective.  I think they have some play in the crusher for sure!

[kazetanade]

Oh for sure. They've been doing a decent job in my previous test games. I think 2 are ok but could be reduced, if you are tightening/making more efficient your list. 1 at least, definitely.

[niiai]

I only have the hive crone. It was not very good in my last game. It was attroucius. I took it to deal MW. But my opponent just shot it down some brackets.

It did tie up a blighthauler the for 2 turns before I cons seeded. But the weapons on it where all bad.

Harpy night be better. But it stil costs so much.

[xsquidz]

Jan 6, 2022 17:07:13 GMT niiai said:

I only have the hive crone. It was not very good in my last game. It was attroucius. I took it to deal MW. But my opponent just shot it down some brackets.

It did tie up a blighthauler the for 2 turns before I cons seeded. But the weapons on it where all bad.

Harpy night be better. But it stil costs so much.

I magnetized 3 flyers to be either harpies or crones then I moved and can't find the extra bits.   But I am sure they are around somewhere.

[zimko]

I love the barbed Hierodule. +1 to hit has made it's guns very consistent. It can be quite versatile at killing multiple targets per turn while also being an anchor for holding a midfield objective.

Crusher Stampede has a secondary problem and the Barbed Hierodule helps with this problem by making itself a good 'To The Last' candidate. A Scythed Hierodule or Dima have to be much too aggressive to be good 'To The Last' candidates. My list runs 2 Barbed Hierodules and 6 Hive Guard for 'To The Last' and it's very reliable. This creates a great firebase while spending all your psychic powers and abilities on more aggressive units to disrupt your opponent's side of the board.

[mattblowers]

Jan 6, 2022 17:07:13 GMT niiai said:

I only have the hive crone. It was not very good in my last game. It was attroucius. I took it to deal MW. But my opponent just shot it down some brackets.

It did tie up a blighthauler the for 2 turns before I cons seeded. But the weapons on it where all bad.

Harpy night be better. But it stil costs so much.

As someone who has 3 harpies and 3 hive crones, I dearly want them to be good. They haven't seen play since 8th edition dropped. Just plain bad in nearly every respect.

[niiai]

Jan 6, 2022 19:25:56 GMT zimko said:

I love the barbed Hierodule. +1 to hit has made it's guns very consistent. It can be quite versatile at killing multiple targets per turn while also being an anchor for holding a midfield objective.

Crusher Stampede has a secondary problem and the Barbed Hierodule helps with this problem by making itself a good 'To The Last' candidate. A Scythed Hierodule or Dima have to be much too aggressive to be good 'To The Last' candidates. My list runs 2 Barbed Hierodules and 6 Hive Guard for 'To The Last' and it's very reliable. This creates a great firebase while spending all your psychic powers and abilities on more aggressive units to disrupt your opponent's side of the board.

One good argument for the barbed hierdule (and I guess hierodules in general) is that they are really big boys. Or rather big baskets or upgrades. Puring a slimer stratagem and +1 to hit on him helps a lot more there then doing it on a exocrine, or a tyranofex (with or without the fleshborer hive.)

[No One]

Just because they're more expensive doesn't mean they're better. They pay for wound count and melee. e.g. Shooting, exo and barbed are (almost: barbed can get a 2+ because exo is hit mod capped, but on datasheet, or into a -1?) the same, just pros/cons of S8 vs AP-3.

[zimko]

Jan 7, 2022 1:58:51 GMT No One said:

Just because they're more expensive doesn't mean they're better. They pay for wound count and melee. e.g. Shooting, exo and barbed are (almost: barbed can get a 2+ because exo is hit mod capped, but on datasheet, or into a -1?) the same, just pros/cons of S8 vs AP-3.

There's also the pro of being able to move 8" without losing half your shots or spending valuable cp to not count as moving.