Crushing stampede battle rapport (of sorts)

[niiai]

I tryed crusher stampede. 2000 VS Death Guard.

1 swarmlord
1 dakka tyrant
1 neuronthrope, unit can re-roll hit, 2 units can. Reposittion

3 warriors, link tallons
3 warriors, link tallons
3 warriors, link gun and whip

1 damakharon, feed for wounds adpation

1 Tyranoflex, flamer
1 Exocirne
1 Scything Hierodule

1 Hive Crone

Opponent

1 tallyman
1 unknown caster character
1 unknown flamer character
1 unknown grenade character (elite?)

10 poxwalkers
10 poxwalkers

1 fleshmawer blightdrone
2 small robots with melta and rocketlauncher
1 relic contemptor with rocket launcher and volkites
1 relic contemtor with rocket launcher and volkites
5 death guard super terminators
3 death guard super Terminators.

1 plagueburst crawler (tank)
1 plagueburst crawler (tank)

We rolled up mission 23, the smallest deploimentsone. (Small square) Hold 2, hold on 3. Some line of sight blocking on each side.

He won rolling for turn 1. Reposition on my warlord was rather useless, no place to reposition them.

His turn 1. He shot my tyranofex. My dimachaeron was bracketed. My hive crone was almost brackedet.

My turn 1. Warriors gave pluss to hit to exochrine, dimachaeron and hiveguards. Hiveguards got re-roll to hit.

Exocrine slimmer maggots. Only hits on 2 shots (double shoot.) Does not roll to wound.

Hive guards double shoot (stratagem) hits a lot, fail to wound a lot, saves a lot. 2 wounds go through.

My dimachaeron double moved with the Swarmlord. But could not charge anything good due to the brackedet movement. He charges 10 poxwalkers and kill 6 of them.

My hive crone charged a plagueburst crawler (tank). But the roll to wound stratagem in impact is based on remaining wounds. It does nothing. (He will hold up the plagueburst crawler (tank) for the rest of the game though.)

To summarize, all my shooting and melee whiffed.


His turn 2:

Kills my dimachaeron. Shoots my hive guards down to one 4 models. Brings the Exocrine quite low. Shoots my hive tyrant a lot. Deep strike death guard Terminators, manage the 9 inch charge.

My turn 2:

All shooting whiffed, even with the shoot twice on hiveguards. They deal 3 damage but not a lot.

Swarmlord charges the 3 death guard Terminators and kills them. Scything Hierodule charges the other death guard Terminators. He manage to get 5 wounds, he saves 4 of them. (Saves on 4++.)

His turn 3:

He shoots and kills stuff. Swarmlord explodes and take out the Exocrine. Death guard Terminators kill my scything Hierodule. I have left:

1 warrior
1 warrior
1 wounded hive tyrant
1 hive guard in melee with a flesh mawer
1 neuronthrope
1 hive crone (stil tying up the tank.)

I have killed:
one of the little robots with rockets and multi melta.
15 poxwalkers.
3 deathshroud Terminators.

I am way behind on points. I consede.

Post game evaluation:
- To little long range shooting. Failing to kill any of the ranged treats was just a major problem. When I hit the low end of the bell curve I am very far behind.
- Both the dimacaron and the hive crone would be good if I got turn 1. But when I did not get turn 1 that left me very far behind. That was 400 points wasted.
- The fact that the dimachaeron is T7 and not T8 is a major handicap compared to the scything Hierodule.
- Not getting a turn 1 charge because I was too brackedet sucked. (As opposed to say a unit, like genestealers.)
- The dakka hive tyrant was quite bad once he got stuck in melee. In 8th edition you could just fall back and shoot.
- Small deployment zones really hurt me.
- I should be spending my CP better. Starting at 9 was to little. Using transhuman stratagem for 2 CP was killer. I need to spend them smarter. Getting no result out of slicker maggot and shoot twice turn one was a big let down.
- The small number of quality attacks on the Scythed hierodule was really bad VS Death Guard Terminators. Wounding on 5 dice, him saving 4+ on 4 of them was just insane.

Looking for advice for better range weapons VS death guard on a general all comers list. Suggestions are welcome.

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++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Tyranids) [107 PL, 9CP, 2,000pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Army of Renown - Crusher Stampede

Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost

Hive Fleet: Leviathan

+ Stratagems +

Bounty of the Hive Fleet [-1CP]: 1 Extra Bio-artefact

Progeny of the Hive [-1CP]

+ HQ +

Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 225pts]: Power: Paroxysm, Power: Psychic Scream, Relic: Resonance Barb, 2x Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms, Wings

Neurothrope [5 PL, -1CP, 95pts]: Power: Catalyst, Power: The Horror, Relic: The Void Crown, Stratagem: Alpha Leader-Beast, Warlord, Warlord Trait: Strategic Adaptation, Warlord Trait: Swarm Leader

The Swarmlord [14 PL, 240pts]: Power: Aggressive Surge, Power: Synaptic Barrier

+ Troops +

Tyranid Warriors [5 PL, 66pts]: Synaptic Link: Bioweapon Bond
. Tyranid Warrior: 2x Scything Talons
. Tyranid Warrior: 2x Scything Talons
. Tyranid Warrior: 2x Scything Talons

Tyranid Warriors [5 PL, 66pts]: Synaptic Link: Bioweapon Bond
. Tyranid Warrior: 2x Scything Talons
. Tyranid Warrior: 2x Scything Talons
. Tyranid Warrior: 2x Scything Talons

Tyranid Warriors [5 PL, 93pts]: Synaptic Link: Bioweapon Bond
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Lash Whip and Bonesword
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Lash Whip and Bonesword
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Lash Whip and Bonesword

+ Elites +

Hive Guard [12 PL, 225pts]
. 5x Hive Guard (Impaler): 5x Impaler Cannon

+ Fast Attack +

Dimachaeron [12 PL, 255pts]
. Adaptive Physiology: Accelerated Digestion

+ Heavy Support +

Exocrine [9 PL, 170pts]

Scythed Hierodule [12 PL, 235pts]

Tyrannofex [9 PL, 175pts]: Acid Spray

+ Flyer +

Hive Crone [8 PL, 155pts]

++ Total: [107 PL, 9CP, 2,000pts] ++

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[piersonsmuppet]

CS powers should be on Neuro I think, +d3A and 4++ are more important than Catalyst and Horror. I always have Parox and Catalyst stapled to SL, usually runs in the center of the army. Though, Barb Flyrant is a good body for Catalyst/Scream.

Did you SMA HG into a unit w/ -1D? CP to go into -1D on d3D weapons will always be a poor return. Saving it to do MWs on the charge, fight twice, +1/+1/+1 vs monster/vehicle, etc. would be much more efficient.

Best change would prob be to go Tyrannofex -> Haruspex w/ Size. SL can sling, regen pairs with -1D, and +d3A can help them out-perform the Acid.

[niiai]

I shot twice with the hiveguards yes. Turn one was my one window, I tryed to get in where I could. Only 2 wounds passed to wound. And the exochrine had no wounds passing saves. :-p

2 volkite dreadnoughts with rockets, two of the little robots and two plagueburst crawlers where just to much shooting for por old me.

[piersonsmuppet]

All that S8 shooting is really going to hate a Maleceptor, and the Maleceptor's link would improve HG chances for a 3 on the damage roll. 2x MST or 2x MRC w/ Size have been my favorite way to run Flyrants, I'd rather put the pts for the guns towards an additional Pyrovore in CS. That way the Flyrant can focus on Elite disruption and Pyrovores can pull anti-chaff duty along with screening/actions/obj squatting. Strategic Adaptation loses its value if you don't have units you want to reserve, like DevGants in a traditional Levi list. I'd consider dropping it in CS. What do you think of the below?

SL - Catalyst, Parox
HT - AG, 2x MST, Carapace, Size, 2 CS powers
Mala - Lobe, WL, Swarm Leader
3x3 Warriors - 2x ST, Link
x6 HG
x1 Haruspex - Size (swap for Harpy if desired)
x1 Maleceptor - Link, 1 CS power
x3 Provore (or 1x3 pyrovore units fits as well)
x1 Dima
x1 Scythed

Not a ton of anti-infantry, but MWs on charge with monsters will help make up the difference. Main thing to look at is the Tyrannofex/Exo, as both are mediocre in CS w/o the fleet traits that make them work well (Levi/Jorm and Kronos respectively). Lack of terrain vs shooting would also hurt MUCH less with Mala/Male keeping what you need alive by reducing the number of 5++'s needed to be rolled (fewer the better). Just need some defensive tech for your monsters, you've got 0 redundancy.

If you want to keep a Flyer in the army, Harpy > Crone imo. Harpy can at least shoot HVC's before tying something up and can give fight last to something to stop interrupts on T2. Crone just ties something up.

[forthehive]

Nice report!

I'll be playing a 2000 pts deathguard list here on Wed with my CS list.

I'll make a report in this forum. I anticipate facing PBC's as well.

For long ranged shooting, I'm running a tfex with rupture, exocrine, 6 hg with a tervigon to swarm leader them. Have the tervigon buff the tfex with its Synaptic link weaponized Gestation and the HG get +1 to hit from a 4 man squad of warriors. Try and take out those PBC. The rest of my monster climb on objectives and hope to win based on their new found durability.

I'll eventually be running a barbed heirodule but for now it's the tfex.

[niiai]

Glad you liked the report. It was really short. ^_^ People keep pooping on the tyranofex, and in particular the rupture cannon one. But through 8th edition I have always had problems VS T8. Hive guards have helped a bit. But T8 - 1 damage was just brutal! Perhaps it is tyranofex rupture cannon time? I know people are talking about the exochrine. And he is so good VS space marines, it is a shooting gallery. But VS Death Guard or regular dreads having to lean on slimmer maggots to dent them just feels wrong. The same problem a barbed hierodule would also have. Perhaps tyranofex can fix it?

@piersonmuppet thank you for the tips. It is a lot to take inn, I will look at it. But double rending claws for budget reasons seems like a waste of BS.

[piersonsmuppet]

Jan 3, 2022 8:09:01 GMT forthehive said:

For long ranged shooting, I'm running a tfex with rupture, exocrine, 6 hg with a tervigon to swarm leader them. Have the tervigon buff the tfex with its Synaptic link weaponized Gestation and the HG get +1 to hit from a 4 man squad of warriors.

Swap the buffs on Tyrannofex/HG. Fex output is better with +1 to-hit, and HG get better return off of the rr wounds.

Rupture Cannon suffers a lot from mediocre BS and Obscuring terrain. w/o a strat to stand still after moving, Fex will likely shoot 3 shots every turn (or 6 shots into bad targets). If terrain is favorable for standing still, Mala/Male combo is almost mandatory to keep it from being bracketed too easily. At that point you might as well take 2-3 Ruptures to get the most out of Male’s CP use. However, CS lack of screens makes that a dangerous thing to do, one good charge and the game goes south.

[niiai]

The rupture cannon is a treat though. My opponent did not really have anything to fear, so he just rolled his tanks out and started shooting. Rightfully so, I have no ranged threats for them.

Also with 48 range you are bound to be able to shoot something. When I play him we play at his place. And he only have 3 line of sight blocking terrain.