2k Monster Stampede

[zimko]

I don't think that's what that page is saying. It's permissive, saying you 'can' do this. So if you do choose to take a power from that discipline, then you take it from that discipline instead of from the codex. But you get to make the choice for each psyker.

I dont see any language there that says you MUST take powers from that discipline and that discipline only. Or any language that overrides the permission granted by the tyranid codex to take powers from there.

The Warlord Traits are the exact same wording.

[purestrain]

Dec 14, 2021 22:06:03 GMT zimko said:

I don't think that's what that page is saying. It's permissive, saying you 'can' do this. So if you do choose to take a power from that discipline, then you take it from that discipline instead of from the codex. But you get to make the choice for each psyker.

I dont see any language there that says you MUST take powers from that discipline and that discipline only. Or any language that overrides the permission granted by the tyranid codex to take powers from there.

The Warlord Traits are the exact same wording.

Checks out, pretty sweet.

[zimko]

Here's an alternative list. Trading out a Flyrant and some warriors for 2 carnifexes, a lictor and a neuro. The idea being the Carnifexes can camp a couple objectives better than warriors can given the new rules. The 2 warrior links will also have a decent target for their buffs in the form of those carnifexes.

Leviathon Battalion: Army of Renown
HQ
Neurothrope:
        WARLORD traits: Strategic Adaptation (alpha beast), Swarm Leader
        RELIC: Adaptive Neural Lobe
        Powers: Onslaught
            95 pts
Hive Tyrant "Angryrant" "Hulkrant": Wings, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs, 2x M. Scything Talons
        RELIC: Biomorphic Carapace
        Adpative Physiology: Murderous Size
        Power: Aggressive Surge (+d3 attacks to target model), Synaptic Barrier (4++ to target model)
            215 pts
Swarmlord: Psychic Scream, Paroxysm
Troops
3x Warriors: A.Glands, Bioweapon Bond: 69 pts
3x Warriors: A.Glands, Bioweapon Bond: 69 pts
3x Warriors: 3 LW/BS: 60 pts
Elites
Lictor: 37 pts
6x Hive Guard: 270 pts
Maleceptor: Catalyst, Focal Essence: 185 pts
Fast Attack
Dimachaeron: 255 pts
Dimachaeron: 255 pts
Heavy Support
Carnifex: A.Glands, HVC, MST, Spore Cysts: 125 pts
Carnifex: A.Glands, HVC, MST, Spore Cysts: 125 pts

2000 pts, 9 cp

[kazetanade]

Might I introduce the name HULKRANT, for our very tanky Flyrant that also smashes things. XD

I also like the change down on the Buffrant into a Neurothrope for points reasons, although the loss of our psychic hurts a little bit.

Carnifexen really want Enhanced Senses head morph, so that they hit on a 2+ (ES changes characteristic to BS3+, rather than giving a +1 to hit). It's more useful than A.Glands on them at least.

I see the Maleceptor is there as a Catalyst carrier - assumptions that he is also the main "defense" provider via his strategem, but considering the majority of the list is T7, and T7 just doesnt benefit from Encaphalic the way T8 does - unless you do face a lot of Melta and Melta equivalents?

[Phelddagrif]

The second I saw the nidzilla army of renown my mind just went "bruh zimko's going to town"

[tomb]

Dec 15, 2021 16:48:22 GMT zimko said:

Here's an alternative list. Trading out a Flyrant and some warriors for 2 carnifexes, a lictor and a neuro. The idea being the Carnifexes can camp a couple objectives better than warriors can given the new rules. The 2 warrior links will also have a decent target for their buffs in the form of those carnifexes.

Leviathon Battalion: Army of Renown
HQ
Neurothrope:
        WARLORD traits: Strategic Adaptation (alpha beast), Swarm Leader
        RELIC: Adaptive Neural Lobe
        Powers: Onslaught
            95 pts
Hive Tyrant "Angryrant": Wings, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs, 2x M. Scything Talons
        RELIC: Biomorphic Carapace
        Adpative Physiology: Murderous Size
        Power: Aggressive Surge (+d3 attacks to target model), Synaptic Barrier (4++ to target model)
            215 pts
Swarmlord: Psychic Scream, Paroxysm
Troops
3x Warriors: A.Glands, Bioweapon Bond: 69 pts
3x Warriors: A.Glands, Bioweapon Bond: 69 pts
3x Warriors: 3 LW/BS: 60 pts
Elites
Lictor: 37 pts
6x Hive Guard: 270 pts
Maleceptor: Catalyst, Focal Essence: 185 pts
Fast Attack
Dimachaeron: 255 pts
Dimachaeron: 255 pts
Heavy Support
Carnifex: A.Glands, HVC, MST, Spore Cysts: 125 pts
Carnifex: A.Glands, HVC, MST, Spore Cysts: 125 pts

2000 pts, 9 cp

Why HVC not Devs? I'm out if touch with Fex loadouts!

[purestrain]

Dec 16, 2021 19:28:16 GMT tomb said:

Dec 15, 2021 16:48:22 GMT zimko said:

Here's an alternative list. Trading out a Flyrant and some warriors for 2 carnifexes, a lictor and a neuro. The idea being the Carnifexes can camp a couple objectives better than warriors can given the new rules. The 2 warrior links will also have a decent target for their buffs in the form of those carnifexes.

Leviathon Battalion: Army of Renown
HQ
Neurothrope:
        WARLORD traits: Strategic Adaptation (alpha beast), Swarm Leader
        RELIC: Adaptive Neural Lobe
        Powers: Onslaught
            95 pts
Hive Tyrant "Angryrant": Wings, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs, 2x M. Scything Talons
        RELIC: Biomorphic Carapace
        Adpative Physiology: Murderous Size
        Power: Aggressive Surge (+d3 attacks to target model), Synaptic Barrier (4++ to target model)
            215 pts
Swarmlord: Psychic Scream, Paroxysm
Troops
3x Warriors: A.Glands, Bioweapon Bond: 69 pts
3x Warriors: A.Glands, Bioweapon Bond: 69 pts
3x Warriors: 3 LW/BS: 60 pts
Elites
Lictor: 37 pts
6x Hive Guard: 270 pts
Maleceptor: Catalyst, Focal Essence: 185 pts
Fast Attack
Dimachaeron: 255 pts
Dimachaeron: 255 pts
Heavy Support
Carnifex: A.Glands, HVC, MST, Spore Cysts: 125 pts
Carnifex: A.Glands, HVC, MST, Spore Cysts: 125 pts

2000 pts, 9 cp

Why HVC not Devs? I'm out if touch with Fex loadouts!

If they're just sitting on backfield objectives they need the range to hit things, then the talons are for self defense.

[zimko]

Dec 16, 2021 18:53:25 GMT kazetanade said:

Might I introduce the name HULKRANT, for our very tanky Flyrant that also smashes things. XD

I also like the change down on the Buffrant into a Neurothrope for points reasons, although the loss of our psychic hurts a little bit.

Carnifexen really want Enhanced Senses head morph, so that they hit on a 2+ (ES changes characteristic to BS3+, rather than giving a +1 to hit). It's more useful than A.Glands on them at least.

I see the Maleceptor is there as a Catalyst carrier - assumptions that he is also the main "defense" provider via his strategem, but considering the majority of the list is T7, and T7 just doesnt benefit from Encaphalic the way T8 does - unless you do face a lot of Melta and Melta equivalents?

The Maleceptor is more to give Hive Guard rerolls to damage.

I made another change to this list. I WANT carnifexes to work but... ugh. This list just looks much better with a hierodule and malanthrope. Especially since the Malanthrope is a monster and can take advantage of the 'roll 9 dice and deal mortals on the charge' strat, kill a model, and grant rerolls to wound rolls of 1 for the rest of the game. His -1 to hit aura obviously is nice too.


Leviathon Battalion: Army of Renown
HQ
Malanthrope:
        WARLORD traits: Strategic Adaptation (alpha beast), Swarm Leader
        RELIC: Adaptive Neural Lobe
                150 pts
Hive Tyrant "Hulkrant": Wings, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs, 2x M. Scything Talons
        RELIC: Biomorphic Carapace
        Adpative Physiology: Murderous Size
        Power: Aggressive Surge (+d3 attacks to target model), Synaptic Barrier (4++ to target model)
                215 pts
Swarmlord: Onslaught, Paroxysm: 240 pts
Troops
3x Warriors: A.Glands, Bioweapon Bond: 69 pts
3x Warriors: Bioweapon Bond: 66 pts
3x Warriors: 3 LW/BS: 60 pts
Elites
6x Hive Guard: 270 pts
Maleceptor: Catalyst, Focal Essence: 185 pts
Fast Attack
Dimachaeron: 255 pts
Dimachaeron: 255 pts
Heavy Support
Scythed Hierodule: 235 pts

2000 pts, 9 cp

I'm pretty happy with this. I feel like this is as good as I'll get it without using a Harridan or Hierophant. I'm not sure if I like it more than the Leviathon/Kronos list I've been using. I think this list is easier to play and has a lower skillcap, but the other list has higher potential for competitive play.

For reference, this is my current 'competitive' list.

Levi Battalion:
HQ
- Swarmlord: Catalyst, Onslaught: 240
- Tyranid Prime: ANLobe, Syanaptic Link, Swarm Leader, Strategic Adaptation: Boneswords 93
Troops
- 12 Genestealers: 156
- 12 Genestealers: 156
- 12 Genestealers: 156
- 30 Termagants: Devourers: 210
Elites
- Lictor: 37
Kronos Patrol
HQ
- Neurothrope: Resonance Barb, Symbiostorm: 95
Troops
- 3 Warriors: Synaptic Link: 3 Lashwhip/Bonesword 75
- 3 Warriors: Synaptic Link: 3 Lashwhip/Bonesword 75
Elites
- 6 Hive Guard: 270
- 6 Hive Guard: 270
GSC Patrol
HQ
- Magus: Mass Hypnosis, Mind Control: 85
Troops
- 5 Acolyte Hybrids: 40
- 5 Acolyte Hygrids: 40

6 cp, 1998 pts


EDIT: updated the flyrant's name to 'Hulkrant' as suggested.

[zimko]

And of course, I'm also tinkering with the Hierophant.


Leviathon Battalion: Army of Renown
HQ
Hive Tyrant "Hulkrant": Wings, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs, 2x M. Scything Talons
        WARLORD: Adaptive Biology, Gestalt Commander
        RELIC: Biomorphic Carapace
        Adpative Physiology: Accelerated Digestion (lets make him REALLY annoying to kill)
        Power: Aggressive Surge (+d3 attacks to target model), Synaptic Barrier (4++ to target model)
                215 pts
Swarmlord: Onslaught, Catalyst
Troops
3x Warriors: Bioweapon Bond: 66 pts
3x Warriors: Bioweapon Bond: 66 pts
3x Warriors: 51 pts
Fast Attack
Dimachaeron: 255 pts
Dimachaeron: 255 pts
Leviathon Super-Heavy Auxiliary
Hierophant: 850 pts

1998 pts, 10 cp

[cmob208]

"Before the battle, you can generate psychic powers for any Crusher Stampede Psyker units from your army from the Mass Convergence discipline using the table below, instead of using any other psychic discipline."

Hmmm, I was reading this as: you choose per unit either Mass convergence or the normal Nid powers. I suppose it could also be read as you choose for the whole army either Mass Convergence or the other ones... I think it's an unclearly worded sentence.

[zimko]

We came to the same conclusion. You can choose for each psyker whether that psyker will generate it's powers from Mass Convergence or from the codex.