Warzone Octarius

[No One]

topaxygourouni said:

Terrains exist btw.

...Yes? The comment I responded to was specifically about T1 shooting, which...if their concern is only after moving out from terrain going 1st, I don't know why you don't just say 'help with shooting'. Because it would.

bestaltan said:

It seems more like just, well, super synapse.

I mean, we haven't seen the entire rule on how you pick. But:

You can choose any unit within the Synaptic Link Range as the target,* normally 12” around the unit with the ability.

It's warcom, not rules text: but which seems more likely, pick a unit in (better than) Synapse range, or everything in (better than) Synapse range? When the upgrade is 15 pts. And new 'pick a unit' buffs are almost always command phase (even defensive ones).

A strat that would allow them to reroll all hits in all phases

It's a WLT, which is (mostly) better (pts buy in but if you're already taking a BL that's fine: keeping the range is an issue, but in return it's totally spammable. Also possible issues with adapts or competition with a better WLT, but I doubt that).

That’s a pretty darn good brick for a troop choice for any army.

Eh, I'm concerned that it can't really hang in melee, and at that point if you're investing a lot in a midfield brick, it's not good. Definite potential though for sure, but going all in feels like a trap.

TheDeepestShadow said:

While this is what I instinctively think it will be, it is possible it's more like chaplain litanies and trigger at the top of the round.

Litanies are command phase. I can't think of any 'pick a unit' buff that's not (since 9th of course).

[TheDeepestShadow]

Oh my mistake, must've been thinking if an older iteration of litanies. However, as far as things that trigger per round as opposed to per turn, Doctrines and Doctrine-equivalents do and this may follow that mold.

[kazetanade]

Combat doctrines are passive army abilities. NOT pick a unit abilities. It's most definitely command phase considering all other army pick units are in command phase.

[zimko]

Oct 13, 2021 15:04:33 GMT bestaltan said:

Oct 13, 2021 14:44:54 GMT No One said:

I mean, I'd guess it's command phase, so doesn't help going 2nd.

Not sure where you would get that it’s a command phase ability. It seems more like just, well, super synapse.

Here’s where warriors can currently stand with just the rules they previewed:

With Leviathan and a broodlord as your warlord and no WLT (which isn’t a bad choice even now), and also taking their adaptation:

3+ Armor save against shooting as well as -1 to hit outside of 12”
3+ armor save against some forms of melee
Ignores AP -1 and -2
6+++
A strat that makes them -1 damage
A strat that would allow them to reroll all hits in all phases

And that’s just with the few leaks we have. We don’t know if warriors can help with the synaptic link, if they have any other strats buried in there, what the prime’s synaptic ability is, etc. That’s a pretty darn good brick for a troop choice for any army.

I recently used some warriors and you know what I found infuriating about that -1 damage strat? You can't use it when your opponent charges you. Like, I assumed it was just a -1 damage strat that I could use whenever it mattered... but not being able to use it on my opponent's fight phase is really bad because I EXPECT my warriors to get charged. That's what they're there for with their lash whips. They hold objectives, screen hive guard, and get charged.

Anyway... not sure how many others have noticed that, but it makes me even less inclined to use warriors.

[kazetanade]

That and the fact that warriors are 1D weapons only are what basically turns me off them. If LWBS were 2D weapons, or at the very least a +1S weapon, it'd fill the gap that we're missing and make them a lot more likeable even if they fall over to melee damage a lot.

[tomb]

I fear that if warriors become our decent troop unit by being buffed with all these potential buffs they will just become marines of some sort.

They are already a tac unit of sorts with marine like almost ok buffs, if their buffs get better we get a MEQ unit.

I don't want to play marines and if I did I'd go play marines...


Rant over.

Alternatively I'm all for Warriors getting more 'niddy' rules. Lash whip Bone sword is a good example of a more unique direction. I don't realy know how much more 'niddy' we could make warriors?

Any ideas?

[zimko]

Oct 13, 2021 19:11:49 GMT tomb said:

I fear that if warriors become our decent troop unit by being buffed with all these potential buffs they will just become marines of some sort.

They are already a tac unit of sorts with marine like almost ok buffs, if their buffs get better we get a MEQ unit.

I don't want to play marines and if I did I'd go play marines...


Rant over.

Alternatively I'm all for Warriors getting more 'niddy' rules. Lash whip Bone sword is a good example of a more unique direction. I don't realy know how much more 'niddy' we could make warriors?

Any ideas?

Being as good as marines doesn't make them marines. Are you really saying that you don't wan to buff our Warriors' weapons to 2 damage because that would make them too MEQ?

[mattblowers]

Oct 13, 2021 18:15:44 GMT kazetanade said:

That and the fact that warriors are 1D weapons only are what basically turns me off them. If LWBS were 2D weapons, or at the very least a +1S weapon, it'd fill the gap that we're missing and make them a lot more likeable even if they fall over to melee damage a lot.

Our weapons are all 8th edition: which means they are all underwhelming.

[tomb]

Oct 13, 2021 19:21:34 GMT zimko said:

Oct 13, 2021 19:11:49 GMT tomb said:

I fear that if warriors become our decent troop unit by being buffed with all these potential buffs they will just become marines of some sort.

They are already a tac unit of sorts with marine like almost ok buffs, if their buffs get better we get a MEQ unit.

I don't want to play marines and if I did I'd go play marines...


Rant over.

Alternatively I'm all for Warriors getting more 'niddy' rules. Lash whip Bone sword is a good example of a more unique direction. I don't realy know how much more 'niddy' we could make warriors?

Any ideas?

Being as good as marines doesn't make them marines. Are you really saying that you don't wan to buff our Warriors' weapons to 2 damage because that would make them too MEQ?

2 Damage weapons sounds great, buffs for warriors are great. I guess it'd be great if warriors are as good as marines.

But I don't want our codex to become codex warrior. Your right being as good as marines doesn't make them marines but warriors are the closest to marines that we have and I'm hoping for a codex that has more Tyranid to it. 

As a friend has put it better than I have, I'm hoping for good internal balance.  

Edit. I may be trying to say that if just warriors can benefit the most from a greater majority of buffs (adaptations, character buffs etc), it may make warriors the stand out choice of unit in the dex and promote warrior spam over more typically tyranidish lists?

[zimko]

Unless the rules change, there will always be a use for cheap troops like termagants. I don't think you need to worry about buffs to Warriors turning us into 'Codex Warriors'. Some people in the community already refer to us as 'Codex Hive Guard' even tho I've never seen someone take more than 2 units. It's just the thing they're most afraid of in our codex.

If Warriors gets buffed to the point where we would want to take 3+ units then bring it on. I doubt they'll ever reach the point where we'd take 1000 points of Warriors tho.

[purestrain]

How does that Metallica song go?

"Give me fuel give me fire give that which I desire"?

I desire Warrior HWTs again, also 6 man biovore packs.

But basically add 1 base attack to the HT so swords makes him 6 like swarmy. Str 7 base so Murderous size makes him 8, beastly he will be.

[bolk]

Oct 13, 2021 22:39:32 GMT purestrain said:

How does that Metallica song go?

"Give me fuel give me fire give that which I desire"?

I desire Warrior HWTs again, also 6 man biovore packs.

But basically add 1 base attack to the HT so swords makes him 6 like swarmy. Str 7 base so Murderous size makes him 8, beastly he will be.

Or, more fitting for us;

"Give me food, give me fries, give me salad on the sides"

[joysan76]

www.warhammer-community.com/2021/10/14/prepare-yourself-for-the-mayhem-of-war-zone-octarius-with-a-sneak-peek-inside-rising-tide/

so we have:

codex supplement leviathan pag. 88-91
sinaptich link pag. 92-94
appendix tyranid (must be blood of baal rules): pag. 95-106
'nids crusade rules: pag. 116-118

[bestaltan]

Three pages of synaptic link has me optimistic. Maybe the maleceptor WILL get something.

It’s a head scratcher that adaptive physiology has so many pages. I’m guessing a couple of those pages from 102-107 is some artwork, but those rules still only took up two pages in BoB.

[zimko]

Oct 14, 2021 14:22:53 GMT bestaltan said:

Three pages of synaptic link has me optimistic. Maybe the maleceptor WILL get something.

It’s a head scratcher that adaptive physiology has so many pages. I’m guessing a couple of those pages from 102-107 is some artwork, but those rules still only took up two pages in BoB.

BoB also includes relics, stratagems and fleet specific psychic powers.