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Post by bumbleb1492 on Aug 11, 2021 1:49:58 GMT
Thought I'd share a list that's really unorthodox when compared to the standard competitive list. The list went 3-2 at a fairly large event and it features a strange yet effective way to deal with large amounts infantry with the use of devilgaunts in tyrannocytes to drop in and shoot. Just thought it was a really interesting spin on a competitive list that's not dimachaerons. ++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Tyranids) [100 PL, 11CP, 1,998pts] +++ Configuration +Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) Detachment Command CostHive Fleet: Kronos + Stratagems +Progeny of the Hive [-1CP]+ HQ +Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 210pts]: Heavy Venom Cannon, Monstrous Rending Claws, Power: Catalyst, Power: Symbiostorm, Resonance Barb, Toxin Sacs, Warlord, Wings Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 210pts]: Monstrous Rending Claws, Power: Catalyst, Power: Onslaught, Toxin Sacs, Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms, Wings + Troops +Ripper Swarms [2 PL, 36pts]. 3x Ripper Swarm: 3x Claws and Teeth Ripper Swarms [2 PL, 36pts]. 3x Ripper Swarm: 3x Claws and Teeth Termagants [6 PL, 140pts]. 20x Termagant (Devourer): 20x Devourer Termagants [6 PL, 140pts]. 20x Termagant (Devourer): 20x Devourer + Elites +Hive Guard [12 PL, 270pts]. Adaptive Physiology: Enhanced Resistance . 6x Hive Guard (Impaler): 6x Impaler Cannon Lictor [2 PL, 37pts]Lictor [2 PL, 37pts]Lictor [2 PL, 37pts]+ Heavy Support +Barbed Hierodule [14 PL, 275pts]. Adaptive Physiology: Dermic Symbiosis Exocrine [9 PL, 170pts]Exocrine [9 PL, 170pts]+ Dedicated Transport +Tyrannocyte [6 PL, 115pts]: 5x Barbed Strangler Tyrannocyte [6 PL, 115pts]: 5x Barbed Strangler ++ Total: [100 PL, 11CP, 1,998pts] ++Created with BattleScribe |
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Post by purestrain on Aug 11, 2021 2:07:46 GMT
Thought I'd share a list that's really unorthodox when compared to the standard competitive list. The list went 3-2 at a fairly large event and it features a strange yet effective way to deal with large amounts infantry with the use of devilgaunts in tyrannocytes to drop in and shoot. Just thought it was a really interesting spin on a competitive list that's not dimachaerons. ++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Tyranids) [100 PL, 11CP, 1,998pts] +++ Configuration +Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) Detachment Command CostHive Fleet: Kronos + Stratagems +Progeny of the Hive [-1CP]+ HQ +Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 210pts]: Heavy Venom Cannon, Monstrous Rending Claws, Power: Catalyst, Power: Symbiostorm, Resonance Barb, Toxin Sacs, Warlord, Wings Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 210pts]: Monstrous Rending Claws, Power: Catalyst, Power: Onslaught, Toxin Sacs, Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms, Wings + Troops +Ripper Swarms [2 PL, 36pts]. 3x Ripper Swarm: 3x Claws and Teeth Ripper Swarms [2 PL, 36pts]. 3x Ripper Swarm: 3x Claws and Teeth Termagants [6 PL, 140pts]. 20x Termagant (Devourer): 20x Devourer Termagants [6 PL, 140pts]. 20x Termagant (Devourer): 20x Devourer + Elites +Hive Guard [12 PL, 270pts]. 6x Hive Guard (Impaler): 6x Impaler Cannon Lictor [2 PL, 37pts]Lictor [2 PL, 37pts]Lictor [2 PL, 37pts]+ Heavy Support +Barbed Hierodule [14 PL, 275pts]. Adaptive Physiology: Dermic Symbiosis Exocrine [9 PL, 170pts]Exocrine [9 PL, 170pts]+ Dedicated Transport +Tyrannocyte [6 PL, 115pts]: 5x Barbed Strangler Tyrannocyte [6 PL, 115pts]: 5x Barbed Strangler ++ Total: [100 PL, 11CP, 1,998pts] ++Against blobs it would be okayish, the tyrannocytes vs a 10 man squad hitting on 4+ and on a 12 man squad would always yield 30 str 5 ap-1 1d shots, and since they're monsters, you can up their damage by 1 gaunts help with the cleanup plinks and chaff clearing |
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Post by Kitane on Aug 11, 2021 12:31:45 GMT
Totally worth it just for that incredibly rare situation where you can cast Symbiostorm on a Kronos Barbed Strangler Tyrannocyte that's about to unload on a horde unit (triggering extra hits on 5+)
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Post by kociamafia on Aug 11, 2021 14:35:51 GMT
Thought I'd share a list that's really unorthodox when compared to the standard competitive list. The list went 3-2 at a fairly large event and it features a strange yet effective way to deal with large amounts infantry with the use of devilgaunts in tyrannocytes to drop in and shoot. Just thought it was a really interesting spin on a competitive list that's not dimachaerons. ++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Tyranids) [100 PL, 11CP, 1,998pts] +++ Configuration +Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) Detachment Command CostHive Fleet: Kronos + Stratagems +Progeny of the Hive [-1CP]+ HQ +Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 210pts]: Heavy Venom Cannon, Monstrous Rending Claws, Power: Catalyst, Power: Symbiostorm, Resonance Barb, Toxin Sacs, Warlord, Wings Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 210pts]: Monstrous Rending Claws, Power: Catalyst, Power: Onslaught, Toxin Sacs, Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms, Wings + Troops +Ripper Swarms [2 PL, 36pts]. 3x Ripper Swarm: 3x Claws and Teeth Ripper Swarms [2 PL, 36pts]. 3x Ripper Swarm: 3x Claws and Teeth Termagants [6 PL, 140pts]. 20x Termagant (Devourer): 20x Devourer Termagants [6 PL, 140pts]. 20x Termagant (Devourer): 20x Devourer + Elites +Hive Guard [12 PL, 270pts]. 6x Hive Guard (Impaler): 6x Impaler Cannon Lictor [2 PL, 37pts]Lictor [2 PL, 37pts]Lictor [2 PL, 37pts]+ Heavy Support +Barbed Hierodule [14 PL, 275pts]. Adaptive Physiology: Dermic Symbiosis Exocrine [9 PL, 170pts]Exocrine [9 PL, 170pts]+ Dedicated Transport +Tyrannocyte [6 PL, 115pts]: 5x Barbed Strangler Tyrannocyte [6 PL, 115pts]: 5x Barbed Strangler ++ Total: [100 PL, 11CP, 1,998pts] ++This list would've been decimated in WTC I think. Kinda surprising it went 3-2. Here is what we play in EU: drive.google.com/drive/folders/10tbQIghaO11YDTrJKWfxLyuc6aqT-aO9?fbclid=IwAR2G9G_1Uaej_HtQgscvmcsAMXlHx2NShud7HraygIRpeX4EppoVTcLhEM0 |
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Post by piersonsmuppet on Aug 11, 2021 15:26:02 GMT
Adaptive Physiology taken w/ only one physiology in the list? Something is amiss...
I like the T-cytes more for the Exo's than the DevGants. I thought losing the ability to stand still after coming out of reserves hurt more than the gained ability to fallback and standstill, and this remedies the situation. I don't even think the Devgants are 100% necessary with the T-cytes, and the points towards some front screening bodies instead could be better as there is nothing to really stop the opponent from diving in to the deployment zone.
Pyrovore vs 3rd Lictor would have opened up AG on both Tyrants, and would have been my preference.
Nice to see some out of the box thinking though, thanks!
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Post by bumbleb1492 on Aug 11, 2021 19:09:21 GMT
My mistake. The other adaptive Physiology went on the Hive Guard. The list has been updated.
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Post by No One on Aug 12, 2021 2:47:00 GMT
I thought losing the ability to stand still after coming out of reserves hurt more than the gained ability to fallback and standstill, and this remedies the situation. No it doesn't? You're still moving coming out of a t-cyte, so you suck. Not sure how I feel about the list: devilgants can be great, but suffer into certain armies (*cough* marines), and 115 pts to deliver them (I mean, t-cytes can do stuff, but enough to justify inclusion?), especially when strat reserves and Kraken exists? Hmm...And double hybrid flyrant: I've played flyrants quite a bit, they were often underwheling a lot of the time. |
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Post by bumbleb1492 on Aug 12, 2021 3:32:53 GMT
I thought losing the ability to stand still after coming out of reserves hurt more than the gained ability to fallback and standstill, and this remedies the situation. No it doesn't? You're still moving coming out of a t-cyte, so you suck. Not sure how I feel about the list: devilgants can be great, but suffer into certain armies (*cough* marines), and 115 pts to deliver them (I mean, t-cytes can do stuff, but enough to justify inclusion?), especially when strat reserves and Kraken exists? Hmm...And double hybrid flyrant: I've played flyrants quite a bit, they were often underwheling a lot of the time. The list seems to score engage on all fronts,retrive data and behind enemy lines using the drop pods to help max out these secondaries. My guess is the drop pods drop in a deployment zone and score until your opponent commits to killing them taking pressure off the rest if the list. |
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Post by No One on Aug 12, 2021 6:36:22 GMT
You can't engage and BEL. You're also going to struggle to drop a t-cyte in a DZ. It may be good for sticking around to score T4/5, as opposed to the lictors/rippers, which are much easier to kill. But it's not like they're hard to kill, 12 wounds T6 4+ is...super vulnerable to meta weapons targetting T6 10 wounds 4+/5++ (i.e. raiders).
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Post by afewveiws on Aug 14, 2021 15:17:59 GMT
The marines "shoot the deepstrikers" strat would only be able to target the spore pod. The devgants are going to be considered to be disembarking after the strat trigger is used/dismissed, so they wouldnt be on the field when the marines are deciding to use the strat or not and thier only targetable choice would be the spore pod.
This works the same way with marine drop pods and is the only reason to even bring them for both armies.
*disclaimer*
This is how it has been ruled in my neck of the woods and my play groups are very dedicated MTG players so I acknowledge it MIGHT be ruled differently in larger WH40k tournaments, but i dont think it would be.
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Post by piersonsmuppet on Aug 14, 2021 16:01:30 GMT
The marines "shoot the deepstrikers" strat would only be able to target the spore pod. The devgants are going to be considered to be disembarking after the strat trigger is used/dismissed, so they wouldnt be on the field when the marines are deciding to use the strat or not and thier only targetable choice would be the spore pod. This works the same way with marine drop pods and is the only reason to even bring them for both armies. *disclaimer* This is how it has been ruled in my neck of the woods and my play groups are very dedicated MTG players so I acknowledge it MIGHT be ruled differently in larger WH40k tournaments, but i dont think it would be. DevGants immediately disembark as a part of the rule for the Tyrannocyte, so they certainly enter the battlefield during the reinforcement step. Auspex Scan is at the end of the reinforcements step. Since DevGants are on the field prior to the end of the reinforcement step, they are a legal target. I think your group may have a unique ruling regarding this interaction. Note that is not a bad thing, at least there is a reason for the transport for your group. —Edit— The interaction you explain is 8E Auspex Scan. |
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Post by Kitane on Aug 14, 2021 17:07:42 GMT
Yeah, the auspex scan has changed in the 9th ed codex.
I still don't understand why the Hive mind can't figure out any reaction to incoming enemy reserves but...*shrugs*
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Post by kazetanade on Aug 17, 2021 12:48:31 GMT
Yeah, the auspex scan has changed in the 9th ed codex. I still don't understand why the Hive mind can't figure out any reaction to incoming enemy reserves but...*shrugs* Have you seen what happens in a game of pass the message? Synapse is basically a bunch of individuals reporting back to the boss, story gets garbled. =P |
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Post by afewveiws on Aug 18, 2021 7:15:37 GMT
Yeah, the auspex scan has changed in the 9th ed codex. I still don't understand why the Hive mind can't figure out any reaction to incoming enemy reserves but...*shrugs* I didnt even notice the change... well that sucks. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. |
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Post by dranzyl on Aug 18, 2021 13:38:18 GMT
With the recent trend to nerf all those shoot/fight/move twice stratagems we might see a nerf to kraken in our next codex so the 'cytes might see somewhat of an uptick in viability.
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