Born survivor on Abominant?

[ferryman]

Does the warlord trait Born survivor stack with bestial vigour? So that D3 becomes suddenly D1? And does this have any real use If it does?

[Hive Bahamut]

Yea this isn't as good as stacking with Shadow Stalker which is -1 to hit. I tried it 3 games and having both + Mark of Clawed Omnissiah is how I run it now instead of Patriarch.

You can also heal for 2D3.

The Abominant is one of the tankiest chars in the game with meh damage output. In 8th this sucked but in 9th if all he does is stand there great!

[kazetanade]

Apr 27, 2021 18:04:44 GMT Hive Bahamut said:

Yea this isn't as good as stacking with Shadow Stalker which is -1 to hit. I tried it 3 games and having both + Mark of Clawed Omnissiah is how I run it now instead of Patriarch.

You can also heal for 2D3.

The Abominant is one of the tankiest chars in the game with meh damage output. In 8th this sucked but in 9th if all he does is stand there great!

Am I reading this right:

T5, 6W, -1to hit, -1D, 3++?

[Hive Bahamut]

Almost yes:

-1 to hit
T5
5W
5+/3++
4+ Unquestioning Loyalty
-1D 5+++
Regen D3

If I am not mistaken it is easily one of the tankiest characters for its price. You can also swap the -1 to hit for -2D and heal again using the Stratagem, but this seems the most versatile, and why I still really like Bladed Cog for its overall utility.

I think if you are up against a lot of 3D in your meta the -2D could make an arguement but I still like the extra layer against all arms.

[kazetanade]

Was thinking of one of the +1T +1W setups which formed part of the old Blender Patties instead of -1Hit and whether that would be better. -1 to hit has seldom been a real thing for me.

Also thinking if its worthwhile to squeeze into a Nids detachment and lose 1 Adaptation for it. Having a randomass Abominant just smashing face in random places is funny as heck, and the Custodes version of this guy is also a really tough nut to handle.

[No One]

kazetanade said:

Was thinking of one of the +1T +1W setups which formed part of the old Blender Patties instead of -1Hit and whether that would be better.

That's the TH relic, not something you can stack here. Biomorph may be better to give a bit more punch, but WLT for +1 A is pretty meh too.

Also thinking if its worthwhile to squeeze into a Nids detachment and lose 1 Adaptation for it. Having a randomass Abominant just smashing face in random places is funny as heck, and the Custodes version of this guy is also a really tough nut to handle.

Lose 1 adapt for -1 to hit on an abom. Pass. Unkillable Custodes cap has ob sec and more damage (and can also have mobility with bike). I'm not even sure the abom wins on durability, you trade 4 wounds and 2+ (with possible 1+) for -1 D and ability to heal if you don't die. (UL as well, but I doubt that'll come up that often).

[kazetanade]

You have soundly convinced me otherwise...

[hivefleetkerrigan]

I'd drop the -1 to hit for the bladed cog relic to gain a 3++.

[ferryman]

I'm going Age of Sigmar mainly at the moment, just toying with battle scribe in case I find time to try some nids & GSC lists. Tanky Abominant and relic sniper sanctus, acolytes and warrior heavy Kronos patrol seems pretty interesting.