Tyranids vs NEW Drukhari 2000pt Written Battle Report
Apr 23, 2021 18:52:09 GMT
No One and stormcoil like this
Post by kazetanade on Apr 23, 2021 18:52:09 GMT
The issue with the GSC tech is that it's only effective against *this* specific setup, and white scars - nothing else. GSC tech we have isnt really developed or CP efficient enough to be worth an additional 2cp tax on top of our current 2cp tax for 2nd patrol, the toolbox given just isnt particularly good or cheap.
If we'd been looking at the better Raiders from Black Cabal, he could have just opted to make the better play - stack 2-3 of the ships behind the central LOS blocker, zoom the first one up for the charge on the HG on the left, flame out the Exocrenes' first, then charge the front chaff. *that* would have been game right there for Stormcoil, I think. The HG would be useless for the rest of the game, and with both exo's out of commission from the flamers, Stormcoil has nothing left to threaten, and grotesque will basically walk over the army from there. Assuming GSC were in play and he went first, you'd hide them behind LOS blocking so that only the HG can shoot, which means you'd lose 1 ship tops (still in Stormcoil's advantage, but hardly a "different game" altogether). With the way he'd deploy, he'd have lost all 4 raiders on T1 if Stormcoil went first, thereby losing his game, and that's what I mean by bad play.
Honestly speaking, with so many raiders chock full of those flamers I dont really have a good TAC answer on how to deal with this particular skew list, other than as mentioned - keep 1 Exo behind LOS blocking to force him to overcommit close, screen the charge, outflank the other Exo, hide the HG. Everything else is expendable until the raiders are popped, then tag it all in combat or cut it down with a beatstick. In fact, charging and destroying the vehicles with the Dima list might be the best idea available, since his list is so useless vs that kind of play. The raiders fall back, the guys inside cant shoot without getting out - destroy the raiders, conso tag the units inside without getting overwatched and make them useless. There are a few tricks I think are available for use but it mostly involves good use of combat mechanics and a few combat credible threats / large enough units.
Other things like noted, this list doesnt like swarms with 5+ invuls or better (but isnt afraid of FNPs and Zoeys). It's scared of actually getting touched in combat across the army, because it doesnt really fight its way out of a paper bag. At least, those are the observations I got to make playing against the mini version myself.
If we'd been looking at the better Raiders from Black Cabal, he could have just opted to make the better play - stack 2-3 of the ships behind the central LOS blocker, zoom the first one up for the charge on the HG on the left, flame out the Exocrenes' first, then charge the front chaff. *that* would have been game right there for Stormcoil, I think. The HG would be useless for the rest of the game, and with both exo's out of commission from the flamers, Stormcoil has nothing left to threaten, and grotesque will basically walk over the army from there. Assuming GSC were in play and he went first, you'd hide them behind LOS blocking so that only the HG can shoot, which means you'd lose 1 ship tops (still in Stormcoil's advantage, but hardly a "different game" altogether). With the way he'd deploy, he'd have lost all 4 raiders on T1 if Stormcoil went first, thereby losing his game, and that's what I mean by bad play.
Honestly speaking, with so many raiders chock full of those flamers I dont really have a good TAC answer on how to deal with this particular skew list, other than as mentioned - keep 1 Exo behind LOS blocking to force him to overcommit close, screen the charge, outflank the other Exo, hide the HG. Everything else is expendable until the raiders are popped, then tag it all in combat or cut it down with a beatstick. In fact, charging and destroying the vehicles with the Dima list might be the best idea available, since his list is so useless vs that kind of play. The raiders fall back, the guys inside cant shoot without getting out - destroy the raiders, conso tag the units inside without getting overwatched and make them useless. There are a few tricks I think are available for use but it mostly involves good use of combat mechanics and a few combat credible threats / large enough units.
Other things like noted, this list doesnt like swarms with 5+ invuls or better (but isnt afraid of FNPs and Zoeys). It's scared of actually getting touched in combat across the army, because it doesnt really fight its way out of a paper bag. At least, those are the observations I got to make playing against the mini version myself.
. And yeah, I think LiW is better than mawloc: if they play around it, neither gets the objective (though acos are easier to play around). If they don't, acos get it against almost anything, mawloc...doesn't. 