Two rule questions

[Zorkubag]

Hello hive mind, I have 2 little rule questions for ya;

- Say an Exocrine had the displeasure of being engaged in melee. During my turn, if it doesn't do any kind of movement, do the kronos, double shooting and +1 to hit rules apply to him when shooting in melee, or does the fact that being in engagement range of an enemy unit prevents it from doing so? When reading the rules carefully, I would say that it can use thoses rules, but I would like to be certain !

- When using the endless swarm stratagem, the cost of the new created unit must have already been paid when creating your army roster, as it specifies that they come as reinforcements? From what I understand it works like that, but it feels a little underpowered, so again, I needed to be sure of this!

I haven't played a game since V3, so a lot of rules are very new to me, thanks for your time!

[hivefleetkerrigan]

1. You'd have a +1 and kronos rerolls if you don't fall back. However, you'd have a -1 for shooting an enemy within engagement range so it would cancel out.

[Zorkubag]

Ok thank you very much. Also, there is then nothing from stoping it to shoot twice in melee then?

[hivefleetkerrigan]

Mar 30, 2021 19:51:58 GMT Zorkubag said:

Ok thank you very much. Also, there is then nothing from stoping it to shoot twice in melee then?

Nope! Only if it moves.

[No One]

To be more accurate, -1 for using big guns never tire to shoot a heavy weapon.

Regarding your second question, basically: note that you don't pay for that unit specifically, you just set aside points that you can draw from for reinforcements like endless tide.

[Zorkubag]

Ok thank you all for your responses!

[infornography]

And yes, Endless Swarm is underpowered/overcosted.
It gives you a modicum of flexibility at the cost of too many CPs and possibly disfavorable positioning.
I this it would be great if it gave those forces at a discount, but having to pay full price for those forces plus a chunk of CP? There are better options available.

[kazetanade]

To be fair, that's a much better deal in crusade PL games, which were a thing GW wanted to push early on. The strategem works fine in non-matched play scenarios.

[tylertt]

The one time the Tervigon gets to shine

[infornography]

Apr 2, 2021 6:34:25 GMT kazetanade said:

To be fair, that's a much better deal in crusade PL games, which were a thing GW wanted to push early on. The strategem works fine in non-matched play scenarios.

Yeah, it just always seemed strange that such a crucial thing as points costs for spawns functioned so completely differently between the two modes.

If they wanted to make sure the balance was right for one and shrug their shoulders at the other, it should have been the other way around. Matched play is supposed to be the one with all the balancing focus.

Ideally if they wanted the rules to work so differently, it would be a simple matter to make the CP costs different between matched play and PL. Terv points as well. Bring its points down from the stratosphere for matched play, but leave the PL high.

But this is GW... They don't often make a lot of sense.

[kazetanade]

I never want to make assumptions or statement of what's "easy" and "not easy". I find people often are able to criticize heavily as if "this is so simple", and are themselves incapable of handling the same situation themselves, particularly when the decision to be made has a lot of impact on other things.

As far as I am aware, Reinforcement Points was introduced into matched play PRECISELY to balance this mechanic - free summoning was far too powerful in 8th edition to leave it intact as a general rule, even if the Tervigon itself doesnt spawn anything as useful as Daemon Summoning did, the concept wasnt something you can leave untouched.

What grinds my gears the most is inconsistent ruling. Like boneswords vs chainswords - I do not understand why 4 Boneswords do not at least give +2A, but Chainswords get +1A for each chainsword. That kind of thing is really inexcusable IMO.

[dranzyl]

Tongue in cheek answer... Because marines

Tyranids have been in the unfavorable position of being forgotten when they were bad and gaining instant attention when something goes right for them.

I am trying to maintain an optimistic mindset until our new codex drops, things have been looking encouraging so far.

[Hive Bahamut]

Those free chainswords are now -1AP too because marines!