How is imperial bastion?

[niiai]

How is the imperial bastion?

230 points for the icarius lascannon and 4 heavy bolters.

But you can put 6 heavy weapon lascannon teams into it for 130 points more. The high of the bastian gives you a very good line of sight. And the downside of 6 lascannons is that they just get targeted down. What do you think?

[asvic]

It looks interesting, but I need to do the math on it to see if it translates to more effective HVTs. I just don't like immobile 230 points that can't score.

[No One]

As above: 360 pts of immobile stuff that's very restricted in where it can go isn't exactly a good use of points. Add on that I don't even think it's good firepower for the price? What, 7 lascannons for 360, you could have 3 ridgerunners for 210.

[hivemind03]

If I remember correctly. The rule for deploying fortifications suck. There's a good chance that it has to deploy off in a corner unless your opponent will let you move terrain.

[No One]

Yes, outside 3" of any terrain, and unless your terrain is bad, that'll be difficult to fit. You definitely won't be able to deploy to gain good sightlines past obscuring.

[kazetanade]

6 teams is 2 units? 1 shot per team, 3 hits, 2 wounds, failed saves, 7 damage average. Against the planes, it's 2 hits and 1 wound. Icarus helps a bit on a single shot, which still amounts to approx the same; 7-10 damage approx.

Bastion IIRC is T8 or T9, 20W? Gets tagged by boyz and can no longer shoot or get out of the Bastion?

I've used Bastion early 8th for holding Genestealers for T1, since I had horrible terrain previously. They always died outright in 1 turn of shooting - so it's dependant on your meta and how many high powered guns you're looking at. But if you're talking about specifically to the Boyz, I think if he charges everything around it and then just touches it, he's completely safe from shooting, and if he wraps it you've created 360 points of completely worthlessness, and you'd STILL not dealt with the planes esp when hitting on a 5+. It's worse than bringing 2x IG LRs which we discussed previously.

Then like everyone else has said, that's assuming you managed to place it well in the begining, and not just render it inert from T1 due to Obscurring.

[No One]

You can shoot things within that are within 1", and the bastion can shoot if engaged. Think the occupants would still be restricted per open topped, but not positive.

[niiai]

Immobile: This model cannot move for any reason, nor can it fight in the Fight phase. When resolving an attack made against this model in the Fight phase, do not make a hit roll: it automatically scores a hit. This model can shoot in your Shooting phase even if there are enemy units within 1" of it, and friendly units can target enemy units that are within 1" of this model.

Fire Points: Up to 10 models embarked aboard this model can shoot in your Shooting phase, measuring distances and drawing line of sight from any point on this model. When they do so, any restrictions and modifiers that apply to this model also apply to its embarked models.

So yeah, they probably can fire even when tagged in battle. T9, 20W, 3+ save.

wahapedia.ru/wh40k9ed/factions/unaligned/Imperial-Bastion

[No One]

Yeah, that's not the rule to check. From the rare rule:

4. While the Transport model is within Engagement Range of
any enemy units, unless the ability that the Transport model
has that allows its passengers to shoot whilst embarked states
otherwise, then models in embarked units cannot make
ranged attacks, except with Pistols.

The bastion rules for the occupants shooting while engaged don't state otherwise, so no.

[asvic]

Apr 1, 2021 23:13:34 GMT niiai said:

Immobile: This model cannot move for any reason, nor can it fight in the Fight phase. When resolving an attack made against this model in the Fight phase, do not make a hit roll: it automatically scores a hit. This model can shoot in your Shooting phase even if there are enemy units within 1" of it, and friendly units can target enemy units that are within 1" of this model.

Fire Points: Up to 10 models embarked aboard this model can shoot in your Shooting phase, measuring distances and drawing line of sight from any point on this model. When they do so, any restrictions and modifiers that apply to this model also apply to its embarked models.

So yeah, they probably can fire even when tagged in battle. T9, 20W, 3+ save.

wahapedia.ru/wh40k9ed/factions/unaligned/Imperial-Bastion

The ability to shoot while within 1" is not a restriction or a modifier, so it won't apply to passengers which are themselves within 1" because they measure distances from the bastion. It doesn't say that ONLY restrictions of the bastion affect the passengers, normal restrictions for them still apply.