Played with my GSC vs Orks again

[niiai]

Played VS my ork opponent again today.

It went well, but by my turn 3 it was over. (He was on the play.)

I have left 2 abberants, 1 alpha Jackal, 1 ridge runner, 1 leman russ and 15 acolytes who failed their charge. 5 acolytes randomly around.

He had left 1 undamaged gorkanaught with the upgraded gun, 1 Dakkajet, 1 truck with 1 wound left and 10 flashgits in it. 5 rocket boys and 1 rocket boys leader.

It is just so overwhelming screening against all his deep strike shenanigans. And the gorka or morkanaught is just so damn dangerush. And I never manage to kill the airplane. That airplane just has to die if I am to hold objectives with small guard like units.

It went rather good for while. If some rolls had gone better it might have worked.

Next time I think maiby I can cut the 3 deploy scrambler units and shotgun unit. They did rather little. Perhaps things could improve if I could kill the airplane.

The abberants where a mistake. I need more power tool acolytes instead.


++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Tyranids - Genestealer Cults) [112 PL, 11CP, 1,999pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Cult Creed: Cult of the Four-Armed Emperor

Detachment Command Cost

+ Stratagems +

Grandsire's Gifts [-1CP]: 1 Extra Sacred Relic

+ HQ +

Acolyte Iconward [3 PL, 60pts]: Amulet of the Voidwyrm

Jackal Alphus [4 PL, 75pts]: The Gift from Beyond, Warlord, Warlord Trait: Inscrutable Cunning

+ Troops +

Acolyte Hybrids [9 PL, 195pts]: Cult Icon
. 8x Acolyte Hybrid: 8x Autopistol, 8x Blasting Charges, 8x Cultist Knife, 8x Rending Claw
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Autopistol, Heavy Rock Saw
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Autopistol, Heavy Rock Saw
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Autopistol, Heavy Rock Saw
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Autopistol, Heavy Rock Saw
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Autopistol, Heavy Rock Saw
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Autopistol, Heavy Rock Drill
. Acolyte Leader: Autopistol, Cultist Knife

Acolyte Hybrids [3 PL, 40pts]
. 4x Acolyte Hybrid: 4x Autopistol, 4x Blasting Charges, 4x Cultist Knife, 4x Rending Claw
. Acolyte Leader: Autopistol, Cultist Knife

Acolyte Hybrids [3 PL, 40pts]
. 4x Acolyte Hybrid: 4x Autopistol, 4x Blasting Charges, 4x Cultist Knife, 4x Rending Claw
. Acolyte Leader: Autopistol, Cultist Knife

Acolyte Hybrids [3 PL, 40pts]
. 4x Acolyte Hybrid: 4x Autopistol, 4x Blasting Charges, 4x Cultist Knife, 4x Rending Claw
. Acolyte Leader: Autopistol, Cultist Knife

Brood Brothers Infantry Squad [3 PL, 70pts]: Brood Brothers Leader
. 7x Brood Brother: 7x Frag Grenades, 7x Lasgun
. 2x Brood Brother (Flamer): 2x Flamer, 2x Frag Grenades

Neophyte Hybrids [7 PL, 114pts]
. 18x Neophyte Hybrid (Shotgun): 18x Autopistol, 18x Blasting Charges, 18x Shotgun
. Neophyte Leader: Autogun, Autopistol

+ Elites +

Aberrants [16 PL, 320pts]
. 6x Aberrant (Hammer): 6x Heavy Power Hammer, 6x Rending Claw
. 2x Aberrant (Pick): 2x Power Pick, 2x Rending Claw
. Aberrant Hypermorph (Improvised): Heavy Improvised Weapon

+ Fast Attack +

Achilles Ridgerunners [12 PL, 210pts]
. Achilles Ridgerunner: Flare Launcher, Heavy Mining Laser
. Achilles Ridgerunner: Flare Launcher, Heavy Mining Laser
. Achilles Ridgerunner: Flare Launcher, Heavy Mining Laser

Achilles Ridgerunners [12 PL, 210pts]
. Achilles Ridgerunner: Flare Launcher, Heavy Mining Laser
. Achilles Ridgerunner: Flare Launcher, Heavy Mining Laser
. Achilles Ridgerunner: Flare Launcher, Heavy Mining Laser

+ Heavy Support +

Cult Leman Russ [11 PL, 170pts]: Augur Array, Battle Cannon, Lascannon

Cult Leman Russ [11 PL, 200pts]: 2x Heavy Flamer, Augur Array, Battle Cannon, Lascannon

Goliath Rockgrinder [6 PL, 95pts]: Heavy Mining Laser

+ Dedicated Transport +

Cult Chimera [5 PL, 85pts]: Heavy Flamer, Heavy Flamer

Goliath Truck [4 PL, 75pts]

++ Total: [112 PL, 11CP, 1,999pts] ++

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[hivefleetkerrigan]

Can you post his list? Honestly, I love running my abberants as pick and claw + stop signs and using them for chaff clearing. I keep thinking that the hammers would be fun but probably not worth the points.

[kazetanade]

niiai are the Leman Russes not working? Whats the issue with the strategy for killing them?

[niiai]

Hmmmm... As far as I can remember:

Ork warboss (relic claw, invulnerable save)
10 boys
In a death roller, with invulnerable save.

Weard boy (da jump)
30 boys (hard boys)
28 boys

Gorkanaught with the 24 shot S5gun. In deeps trike.

Dakkajet

10 flashgits in trukk

5 jumpa boys
1 jumpa boy named character

10 snotlings.

Nothing spectacular. It is just that GSC are very bad IMHO.

He gets first turn. Boys get jumped. I need to kill or of them or he green tides them. (I countered this with the 4AE stratagem.) Everything else moves onto me.

T2 more boys get jumped. And the gorkanaught kills something with shooting when it arrives. And it kills something else when it charges 3d6.

That damn truck only had 1 wound left end of turn 2. But I can not charge the flashgits from reserves when they are inside the car.

Also, I could not kill the airplane. All in alle they just overwhelm everything I have. And the damn airplane picks off so many units and I do not have the BS to kill it.

[niiai]

Deployment T1.

[hivefleetkerrigan]

Personally, I'd recommend using a sanctus sniper with the gift from beyond to try to remove the weird boy. Killing the weird boy will allow you more time before the boyz crash your lines.

I'd probably either drop the abberants or change them to be picks and claws. Picks and claws (especially with might from beyond and/or improvised weapons) can shred through boyz easily.

I'd probably drop the broodbrothers and chimera to either upgrade the neophytes to have two squads of mining lasers or to get more acolytes. I'd recommend two squads if saws to allow you to drop in one squad in turn 2 and one in on turn 3. Abberants can either be on the table or deep striking depending upon how the board looks. You could blip them then return them to the shadows if you go first. I'd probably use them as a counter charge to his boyz in an effort to eliminate them once they get close.

Hope this helps.

[niiai]

There are some good points. Abberants are very bad for their points IMHO. But I wanted to try out something that was not T3 5+ save. They did as you suspected sit in a transport and would perform a counter charge role.

The brood brothers in chimera might not be so good. But the chimera with 2 heavy flamers was very good. For 20 points more I could upgrade the broodlord to a chimera. Chimeras are T7, 4+ save. Very good.

Small squads of mining lasers have not been very good. And they are targeted numero uno. I used to have mortar heavy wepaon teams but they just die en mass to the airplanes. (I play him a lott.)

Regarding the gift from beyond sniper, he used to be good in 8th edition. In 9th edition it is very easy to stick the weardboy behind some line of sight blocking terain. Popping up turn 2 means that he has been able to cast 'da jump' once or twice already. It might be that a dagger assassin is better.

One thing that really gets on my nerves in this match up is how many units I loose to overwatch. Orks have so much dice, but they only hit on 5's. Hitting on 6's is not that far away. Further, I am a close combat army. But I can not have 2 units in combat at the same time or he will just cheat with the stratagem.

Also, very very very rarrly do I manage to kill all 30 hardboys in one turn. Not with everything else that is going on as well. I feel like I am streched to thinly.

[kazetanade]

Mar 29, 2021 16:53:07 GMT niiai said:

*One thing that really gets on my nerves in this match up is how many units I loose to overwatch.* Orks have so much dice, but they only hit on 5's. Hitting on 6's is not that far away. Further, I am a close combat army. But I can not have 2 units in combat at the same time or he will just cheat with the stratagem.

Considering GSC has the most tools (although still only 2) to shut off overwatch, this is a really weird situation to have. Most people still carry a Magus at least for Mass Hypno, which I think shuts off Interrupt? (cant remember this part). 

Anything a Chimera with twin heavy flamers can do, a Punisher Gat LR with twin heavy flamers can do too, and probably better with more damage impact - bring it as the basic LR and it can do it cheaper per point spent too, although having the 40 shots 3+ rr1s on the top head feels better by all accounts. 

Mining Lasers are a little throwaway - they're pretty decent for their cost and add a bit of chip/luck variation in 8th, unless you were running the huge blob of 5+ like I was in which they become a bit of a major threat in of themselves. 

Abberrants right now are really bad no matter their output, and especially bad with any Hypermorphs; they took too many points nerfs in a row. If they had their buffs from Vigilus rolled into them now, they'd actually be alright and usable, if still a bit expensive. I have 20 so I actually want them to be good...

EDIT: Oh, you're using Cult LRs. That explains why it's so impotent...

If you're going to use Cult LRs, I would just say screw it and remove them altogether. BCs are really bad right now cuz they sit in the middle of nowhere and do nothing.