GSC / Tyranid Soup Objective Bomb

[behemothsplinter317]

Hi folks, I'm just getting into GSC (and back into 40k) and am interested in taking a Tyranid detachment to snap the opponent's home objective.

What I'm thinking is thus:

Hive Fleet Behemoth:

Mawloc 125

Tyrgon Prime 195
+Adrenal Glands

Genestealers 180
x 12

The Trygon and genestealers pop up 9" away; the Mawloc pops up as close to the objective as possible, using his "no closer than 1" rule, without getting in the way of the charge from the Trygon/Genestealers.

I figure I can use "Lying in Wait" with a GSC unit to get another unit right up close with the Mawloc; what would you recommend?


The rest of my army will be heavy on Atalan Jackals and Brood Brother Sentinels, a couple of armoured fist squads, and probably an Avenger Strike Fighter forming the bulk of the 1st and 2nd wave to take the no man's land objectives, with some heavy weapons squads and Brood Brothers infantry to hold my own home objective.

[niiai]

It could work. The general consensus is that Nids needs to focus on objectives because we are behind in killing. Ironically we are quite good at shooting elite armies. So SM are not so bad for us as for others.

GSC sadly are quite bad these days.

As for your proposal it could work. Remember deep strike can not arrive turn 2. Just note that both mawlocks and trygon die easaly for their points. And especially Genestealer are super fragile.

The mawlocks also do not have objective secure witch means you most likely will not contest it. Worst case scenario they all pop up and get shot or killed in melee.

A more effective way to do it IMHO would be to take kraken Genestealer and the Swarmlord or Behemot Ravaners and the Swarmlord all of those can charge over the map T1.

Also, GSC of the 4 armed emperor can pretty much always get a charge off for 3 CP. Some caviats: They often gets killed after they popp up.

Also the lying in wait grenade bombs work well, but they are quite expensive in CP.

Lastly SM has so many ways to deny deep strike. And be Shure to protect your units with catalyst or the psykick awakening biomechanic GSC power.

I hope that helps!

[hivefleetkerrigan]

Mar 18, 2021 18:48:40 GMT niiai said:

Remember deep strike can not arrive turn 2.

Units in ambush or strategic reserves cannot arrive UNTIL turn 2. They also need to arrive by the end of turn 3 unless they were on the board at some point.

[behemothsplinter317]

Thanks folks, I realize the Mawloc doesn't have Objective Secured, so he's only one model, but part of my thinking there is that:
A. He can deliver a couple mortal wounds, maybe take out a space marine.
B. Adds one model in the 3" zone
C. Can position him so as to block other enemy units from coming back to save the objective.
D. I recognize that I'm not going to get the objective unless I get off the charge with the infantry that accompanied the Trygon, but I have a free re-roll for that. As well as for the Trygon's charge.

The genestealers could easily be swapped out for hormagaunts, (I actually like those models better anyways.) I have genestealers in there right now because:
A. The models are basically free with the Trygon models.
B. Seems thematic to go along with all the Brood Brothers I'll be running.

Question; do the Space Marine Omniscramblers provide immunity from the Mawloc? My initial reading is that yes, they do.

[niiai]

It seems like many hoops to jump through for sub par results.

You other people who play, can we use the pheromone stratagem to ancher the strategic reserves to it? If yes, I would suggest devil gaunts (devourer hormagaunts) arriving from reserves by lictor for shooting. 180 shots kills some things, but not all. (Use an app to roll fast.) If no just throw them in a jourmunghard ravaner tunell. (Jourmunghard stratagem.)

This melee plan is just to many hoops with a low floor and a medium ceiling. If you want into melee use Swarmlord slingshot. Have you heard of our lord and savior the kitbashed Diamachrom?

[kazetanade]

Mar 19, 2021 15:33:07 GMT behemothsplinter317 said:

Thanks folks, I realize the Mawloc doesn't have Objective Secured, so he's only one model, but part of my thinking there is that:
A. He can deliver a couple mortal wounds, maybe take out a space marine.
B. Adds one model in the 3" zone
C. Can position him so as to block other enemy units from coming back to save the objective.
D. I recognize that I'm not going to get the objective unless I get off the charge with the infantry that accompanied the Trygon, but I have a free re-roll for that. As well as for the Trygon's charge.

The genestealers could easily be swapped out for hormagaunts, (I actually like those models better anyways.) I have genestealers in there right now because:
A. The models are basically free with the Trygon models.
B. Seems thematic to go along with all the Brood Brothers I'll be running.

Question; do the Space Marine Omniscramblers provide immunity from the Mawloc? My initial reading is that yes, they do.

A mawloc is a good option for backfield shenanigans, but he doesnt really help steal objectives unless we're talking about a single model holding objectives (which as far as I've noticed is getting less and less prevalent). What he does do though is to give you a really consistent Engage on All Fronts that also must be dealt with to stop your scoring, and pushes out enemy deepstrikes when and where they need it most. The fact that he can come up and do d3 mortal wounds doesnt usually make itself a BIG deal, but it can on occassion snipe characters. The other points you brought up are also relevant.

Recognize that if you use a Mawloc, no one else is going to be able to come in with him as he comes in too close within the 9" limitation for everyone else, unless you are going to give up your MW generation. 

Charging out of deepstrike for anything that isnt Behemoth is pretty terrible - 43% chance of success for that 9" rerollable, and barely 60% for an 8" rerollable. 


Omni-scramblers does indeed push ALL deepstrike out 12", even if you have rules that would normally allow you to bypass the 9" limit. Mawlocs ability is affected by it.