Soon we be the new hotness?

[N.I.B.]

Great game, but I can't shake the feeling Nanavati brought a soft list so that Nids wouldn't get steamrolled. I assume they try to pick fairly evenly matched armies to stream.
Nick seemed to diss the Hive Guards and the 'cute' Flyrant at the end, are they considered so bad now?

[hivemind03]

Nick hates Hiveguard due to personal experiences i think.

[zimko]

Against Eldar with vehicles that have -1 to hit naturally, Hive Guard can feel pretty weak for their points.

[kinginyellow]

that said, I feel like hive guard are probably strong against marines due to the danger of plasma inceptors/eradicators against us who hide from los while waiting for them to kill our bigger monsters. and sisters who have their rhinos with hyper dangerous repentia and such inside that we would prefer to keep back. that los fire seems good against really powerful meta factions. and being mediocre against eldar is okay as they are okay? right now but ain't hyper meta. I am curious if people are finding just downgrading the hive guard to an exocrine (and saving ~100 points) to be a fair exchange and the thoughts of the high-str los-ignoring shots to be not as beneficial as it seems to me.

[N.I.B.]

What are people's take on the new Dima? I've only had a couple of games with them, I took 2 in both. First game against Ultramarines, one went down turn 1 to shooting, the other survived first turn (barely) and continued to wreak havoc, omnoming smaller marine squads while regenerating (Accelerated Digestion). It survived the game by not running up the middle.

The other match was against Blood Angels - I advanced both straight ahead, one died turn 1 to shooting, the other died turn 2 to shooting after eating two units, sadly overkilling small units means no chance for FNP.

[beetlejuice]

Feb 12, 2021 19:07:56 GMT N.I.B. said:

What are people's take on the new Dima? I've only had a couple of games with them, I took 2 in both. First game against Ultramarines, one went down turn 1 to shooting, the other survived first turn (barely) and continued to wreak havoc, omnoming smaller marine squads while regenerating (Accelerated Digestion). It survived the game by not running up the middle.

The other match was against Blood Angels - I advanced both straight ahead, one died turn 1 to shooting, the other died turn 2 to shooting after eating two units, sadly overkilling small units means no chance for FNP.

I think they are amazing, they do what a hive tyrant should be doing imo. More attacks and rerolls are great. You can opt to use the generic close combat weapon (S user, AP-, D1, they still exist in 9th for every unit right?) for a couple of attacks to avoid overkilling if you’re stuck with S3 units so mortals are quite reliable. Eating a screen and then fall back over them ignoring models and terrain and charge again as kraken into the backline is so tasty.

Depending on match up I either launch them as distraction carnifexes with hive commander and onslaught also trying to score EoAF, or keep them back more like John did for counter charge turn 2 and push hormagaunts and zoans up instead. People in my meta just ignore exocrines when dimas hit the board so they get to do a lot of work and clean up elite infantry or midfield objective holders.

They are even better now with the need for 4D attacks against DG and DW which is hard to come by.

[kazetanade]

If you're losing them T1 to guns, I'm guessing they have a lot of long range shooting, so you'd definitely need 2 or 3, otherwise 1 would do the job fine I think.

Personally? I think its a monkey wrench unit. Pair it with SL to literally go where you need it to kill what you need dead. It may die thereafter in peace, but will take great pains to actually kill.

Sadly I only have the 1 built and waiting to be primed and painted, haven't put it on the table yet. But I've been waiting 3 or 4 years to put it on the table, really excited to use it.

[niiai]

Feb 12, 2021 19:07:56 GMT N.I.B. said:

What are people's take on the new Dima? I've only had a couple of games with them, I took 2 in both. First game against Ultramarines, one went down turn 1 to shooting, the other survived first turn (barely) and continued to wreak havoc, omnoming smaller marine squads while regenerating (Accelerated Digestion). It survived the game by not running up the middle.

The other match was against Blood Angels - I advanced both straight ahead, one died turn 1 to shooting, the other died turn 2 to shooting after eating two units, sadly overkilling small units means no chance for FNP.

People with ranged weapons gets to dictate what dies in what order. That just the nature of the game. If you find they are to easy to kill for their points then cue sad trombone.

[brianb9999]

Feb 12, 2021 19:53:24 GMT beetlejuice said:

You can opt to use the generic close combat weapon (S user, AP-, D1, they still exist in 9th for every unit right?) for a couple of attacks to avoid overkilling if you’re stuck with S3 units so mortals are quite reliable.

I do not believe this is a thing anymore.

[beetlejuice]

Feb 12, 2021 21:19:23 GMT brianb9999 said:

Feb 12, 2021 19:53:24 GMT beetlejuice said:

You can opt to use the generic close combat weapon (S user, AP-, D1, they still exist in 9th for every unit right?) for a couple of attacks to avoid overkilling if you’re stuck with S3 units so mortals are quite reliable.

I do not believe this is a thing anymore.

” If a model is not equipped with any melee weapons, or if it cannot make an attack with any of the melee weapons it is equipped with, then that model makes its attacks using a close combat weapon, which has the following profile: [...]”

Yeah, you’re right. Can’t choose it when we have the sickle claws... I guess the workaround is to reroll all succesful hits to avoid overkill (since we have the ”may re roll the hit roll” wording)

[dranzyl]

Whats the wording that stops the regaining of wounds on overkill again? It would propably be better to ask for a change on the rule itself to make it usable instead of trying to bend over backwards to actually make the game work in the first place.

[No One]

Not sure what you're asking?

[kazetanade]

Feb 13, 2021 1:28:30 GMT dranzyl said:

Whats the wording that stops the regaining of wounds on overkill again? It would propably be better to ask for a change on the rule itself to make it usable instead of trying to bend over backwards to actually make the game work in the first place.

The wording is that you activate the spine after you have finished attacking, and do it on a nearby enemy. If you have killed everything, they're are no enemies to attack with the spine, hence it does not work.

The rule isn't broken, its an unfortunate set of circumstances.

[Hive Bahamut]

Something I thought kind of neat with the Spine is that you don't need to do any damage. It just says "after it makes all of its attacks." I imagine there is some shenaniganry around this. One of the coolest FW models for sure.

I would like to see the Lictor/Feeder strains both get CP generation or bonus rules VS. Characters. I really liked that Nids had to kill characters for CP, what a fluffy rule! Too bad the rest of the game went vanilla with rolling 5-6+.

[kazetanade]

That should have been a straight 3cp for killing a character, or a 0cp cost strategem. Also personally unhappy about how they restrict it to things which are impossible to get kills with in general (other than Gebestealers), but ehhh.