Making mawloc work?

[nod007]

How are people enjoying mawloc?

The good: Easy mortal wound especially with his stratagem and also good with secondaries. May block unit, and kill hidden enemies. Easy to kill.

Bad: only does his damage on turn 2 and 4, and cant burrow if enemy is within 1" so if enemy keeps unit in cc with he cant burrow and he is really bad in cc.
Gives away secondaries

Are you using him in your lists? Is he worth his points?

[kociamafia]

1 Mawloc is good for 1 thing & 1 thing only - To contest enemy's backline objective.

Your opponent will usually have 1 random rhino or some other garbage parked in the back, this is when Mawloc might come in handy - Once contested,  you basically deny him 5 primary points.

Otherwise ? Nah, it aint killy & it aint tanky. It aint particulary cheap either.

[niiai]

There is someone on here who plays competetivly and has luck with mawlocks. I have no idea how. He certanly plays for objectives.

[hiveoverall]

Dec 4, 2020 21:43:40 GMT kociamafia said:

1 Mawloc is good for 1 thing & 1 thing only - To contest enemy's backline objective.

Your opponent will usually have 1 random rhino or some other garbage parked in the back, this is when Mawloc might come in handy - Once contested,  you basically deny him 5 primary points.

Otherwise ? Nah, it aint killy & it aint tanky. It aint particulary cheap either.

Well this is pretty good if you aren’t taking many monsters, thus your opponent will ne be taking bring it down (you don’t want to take away 5 vp and then give 3 vp).
it really shines for damage when paired with GSC characters who can snipe, but these combos are too resource intensive, both in cp and points.

[kazetanade]

niiai it's stormcoil who was using the Mawlocs and often says he wants 2 in the list.

Mawlocs are great for blocking space against deepstrikers - 3" means they can't zone you out, so youll zone them instead. Inceptors from DS, Eradicators from strategic reserves, and everything between. It can even pop up and steal objectives from DS campers like Rippers.

It also steals objectives from minimal holders. If someone leaves a single model to grab something, the Mawloc contests it and deneia 5pts. Stormcoil often used it to take middle-back objectives by bursting up on it, then wiping the enemy unit on it with guns so that he's forced to deal with the Mawloc to remove him off the objective (waiting Precious firepower elsewhere) and also get back on the objective, rather than just 1 or the other.

Its a serviceable character sniper as well, but you don't need me to explain that. It isn't always gonna happen, but it happens often enough especially against elite armies.

The main issue with the Mawloc is that it is not pts efficient for what they do, having nearly 0 output outside of its gimmick. The gimmick itself is pretty strong so if it had better melee and the ability to charge after coming up, it'd be much much more competitive.

[aruair]

Dec 6, 2020 5:25:02 GMT kazetanade said:

niiai it's stormcoil who was using the Mawlocs and often says he wants 2 in the list.

Mawlocs are great for blocking space against deepstrikers - 3" means they can't zone you out, so youll zone them instead. Inceptors from DS, Eradicators from strategic reserves, and everything between. It can even pop up and steal objectives from DS campers like Rippers.

It also steals objectives from minimal holders. If someone leaves a single model to grab something, the Mawloc contests it and deneia 5pts. Stormcoil often used it to take middle-back objectives by bursting up on it, then wiping the enemy unit on it with guns so that he's forced to deal with the Mawloc to remove him off the objective (waiting Precious firepower elsewhere) and also get back on the objective, rather than just 1 or the other.

Its a serviceable character sniper as well, but you don't need me to explain that. It isn't always gonna happen, but it happens often enough especially against elite armies.

The main issue with the Mawloc is that it is not pts efficient for what they do, having nearly 0 output outside of its gimmick. The gimmick itself is pretty strong so if it had better melee and the ability to charge after coming up, it'd be much much more competitive.

That's a pretty good tactic with a Mawloc. I'm looking to add one to my list but not sure where I'll get the points just yet. I really like them and think there's a place for them in blocking out deep strikers, among other things.

One thing I tend to do is get my Flyrant into range to Smite and Psychic Scream a strong character. I'll also use the Swarmlord to double move a unit like the Scythed Hierodule up while my Kraken Genestealers also make a push with Opportunistic Advance. So that gets me 2 units in combat on my first turn and my Flyrant can sit in the middle somewhere and usually survive a round just because they are dealing with the other threats. I can see a place in my list for a Mawloc to pop up and finish off a unit that my Flyrant damaged previously. I've left many Space Marine HQs on just a couple of wounds from my Flyrant using psychic powers and a Mawloc would definitely do well at finishing them off, as well as getting on objectives, blocking charge lanes, and generally making a nuisance of itself.

I'll have to experiment and see how it goes.

[Freeman]

I run two and they’re in no risk of getting dropped. They’re excellent for contesting objectives or scoring some secondaries. Specifically I’ve had them max line breaker out on their own.

[purestrain]

I feel like mawloc are just an outlier atm, when heavy intersessors come into games you're going to see its effects negated almost wholly.

That and two models In a unit, 3 inches away from a tank that itself gives no areas to be put near other than not within range of the mawloc is a lot easier than people think, and 100% shut it down.

[hiveoverall]

Dec 15, 2020 22:25:55 GMT purestrain said:

I feel like mawloc are just an outlier atm, when heavy intersessors come into games you're going to see its effects negated almost wholly.

That and two models In a unit, 3 inches away from a tank that itself gives no areas to be put near other than not within range of the mawloc is a lot easier than people think, and 100% shut it down.

Why will heavy inetercessors negate mawlocs ?

[purestrain]

Dec 16, 2020 12:04:15 GMT hiveoverall said:

Dec 15, 2020 22:25:55 GMT purestrain said:

I feel like mawloc are just an outlier atm, when heavy intersessors come into games you're going to see its effects negated almost wholly.

That and two models In a unit, 3 inches away from a tank that itself gives no areas to be put near other than not within range of the mawloc is a lot easier than people think, and 100% shut it down.

Why will heavy inetercessors negate mawlocs ?

Their range will allow them to be backfield obj holders with actual threat instead of just a tank

[timcz]

Have had 2 of these sitting in the cupboard for so long, put one together last night. Might give 2 a try and sub in my Trygon as the 2nd for now.

[ironcentipede]

Hi I'm new to the game (only played 4 games vs my brother-in-law) and I have been trying out as many different models as I can. I have a question about Mawlocs that I thought I would add here if someone could help me out.

One of the lists I am going to try is a custom fleet with metabolic regrowth and biometalic cysts. I'm considering a Mawloc with murderous size to give it a total of S7 -2ap 2 dmg for the talons (on top bracket), which I know is a lot of make up on a pig, but I love bacon.
I actually have 2 questions:

1) Does the Mawloc still gain a wound back if it is underground at the start of that turn? Lets say it pops up turn 2 gets into combat and takes wounds. I know turn 3 it will regain 1 and say I burrown back down during movement phase. Does it regain a wound turn 4 before during the command phase before it pops up at the end of movement phase? Im guessing yes but would like confirmation that it's not considered out of the game or something.

2) Now that second player turn 5 scoring is at the end of the turn, can it pop up (not for the first time, but re-pop up I suppose) on turn 5 to maybe knock off a few grunts off an objective? I think I read somewhere deepstrikes and reinforcements have to be in by turn 4 (or 3?) but what if it comes in turn 3, burrows 4, and returns 5?

Thanks!

[kazetanade]

1. No, anything off the board is not in the game at that moment and cannot benefit from rules and abilities until it comes back in.

2. Yes it's fine, you can do exactly what you think you can here.

[hiveoverall]

GSC stuff can also still pop back turn 5 if you sent them back into reserves turn 4 through the strat, at least I think. Or am I wrong ?

[ironcentipede]

Jan 26, 2021 3:31:45 GMT kazetanade said:

1. No, anything off the board is not in the game at that moment and cannot benefit from rules and abilities until it comes back in.

2. Yes it's fine, you can do exactly what you think you can here.

Thanks!  Shame about #1 but I guess that is fair, probably can break some mechanics that way.  Glad to hear about #2 though!