New Nids Player: Crusade Army Builder

[purestrain]

Oct 7, 2020 18:27:20 GMT tyrantofbaelcor said:

ELITES:
Haruspex (9PL)
- adaptation: accelerated digestion so with MR, his rules, catalyst and strategems will be hard to kill. I know he (or she) is terrible but just such an awesome model and will allow for the rule of cool idea described above

Bro my haruspex is literally the stuff of legends.

I use +1 hit for monsters and 1w/t.

Blew almost my entire rp on him off the bat.
Accelerated digestion, dermic symbiosis and murderous size on his ravenous maw.
Has frenzied so has 5 attacks on the charge and heirloom on his maw to make natural 6s to score two hits.

You HAVE to kill him or he automatically moves up to second bracket thanks to dermic symbiosis granting him double wounds when you determine where he is on the degradation chart. We have a 2cp ability to give it back d3 wounds but his own tongue on a lucky shot can get him up 1 more. Even at his second bracket he still hits on a 3+ thanks to the hive fleet adaptation and regaining a wound per model kill up to 3 means just killing one (if you used the cp ability or healed him for 1 with his tongue) he will have 4 wounds which is counted as 8 and os back to top tier.

I love it. Give him catalyst and literally everyone is afraid to attack
Add in 1 cp reroll all hits 1cp reroll failed wounds and you have beast.

[tyrantofbaelcor]

Ooo Awesome idea! Definitely will consider the adaptation to give +1 to hit for monsters as it will definitely help.
You can have more than one adaptation on each monster?
Wow, sounds legendary.

[purestrain]

Oct 7, 2020 19:12:57 GMT tyrantofbaelcor said:

Ooo Awesome idea! Definitely will consider the adaptation to give +1 to hit for monsters as it will definitely help.
You can have more than one adaptation on each monster?
Wow, sounds legendary.

+1 hit for monsters in melee when they charge are charged or perform a heroic intervention is a hive fleet trait.

Only crusade allows you to have more than one as the timing is different from the actual rule and is a permanent ability.

[hivefleetkerrigan]

Oct 7, 2020 19:12:57 GMT tyrantofbaelcor said:

Ooo Awesome idea! Definitely will consider the adaptation to give +1 to hit for monsters as it will definitely help.
You can have more than one adaptation on each monster?
Wow, sounds legendary.

Purestrain says you can but I don't think the rules were intended to let you double down on adaptive physiologies on the same unit. Talk it over with your brother and come to a consensus.

I might recommend dropping the hive tyrant, 2pl of hormogaunts, and some zoans to give you enough power to grab the swarmlord. Rule of cool? Yes. Good? Definitely! You can use him to allow a unit to move in your shooting phase. It'd be good for the haurespex or for the hormogaunts.

I'd strongly recommend dropping cranial channeling. Hypermetabolic acceleration would be good and fluffy. You could also go with synaptic augmentation, biometalic cysts, or feeding frenzy would all be fun and more usable than cranial channeling.

[beetlejuice]

I’m with kerrigan on this one, even if there is no limit to how many requisitions you purchase the warlord trait requisition is explicit you can only have one warlord trait on each unit. If you use specialist reinforcement requisition ie progeny of the hive stratagem then that stratagem explicitly states you can’t give adaptive physiology to a unit that already has one. As many physiologies as you want on your order of battle, but not on the same unit. Warlord trait, physiology and relic on a character is fine though as I interpret it. I’m having fun with kraken melee carnifex spam, they’re quite annoying when they all have 5++

Edit: then again, crusade units can get so busted. I’m playing a custodes bike captain with 3++, victor of the blood games, d3+3 pile in/consolidate in any direction and the stupid crusade relic for mortal wounds on 6’s. Clearly not intended for someone who has rapid fire 6 hitting on 2’s rerolling 1’s. (Think he has FNP and exploding 6’s in melee and some other battle traits/crusade relics now too). He just flies around and murders 1-2 units each turn.

[tyrantofbaelcor]

Ya, reading the adaptations we will keep it to one per unit as per the rules to minimize occurences of that custode captain of death, oh dear.

[hivefleetkerrigan]

Oct 7, 2020 21:32:04 GMT tyrantofbaelcor said:

Ya, reading the adaptations we will keep it to one per unit as per the rules to minimize occurences of that custode captain of death, oh dear.

What custodes captain of death?

[purestrain]

I see it that way because you don't use the stratagem then count it as having used it, you use the stratagem to gain its upgrades permanently, you also use them before the game even starts or is happening.

[hivefleetkerrigan]

Oct 8, 2020 14:52:52 GMT purestrain said:

I see it that way because you don't use the stratagem then count it as having used it, you use the stratagem to gain its upgrades permanently, you also use them before the game even starts or is happening.

The adaptive physiology strategems has to be used upon list creation for 9e now. Not sure if it throws a wrench into your argument or not just something to consider.

[beetlejuice]

Oct 8, 2020 14:52:52 GMT purestrain said:

I see it that way because you don't use the stratagem then count it as having used it, you use the stratagem to gain its upgrades permanently, you also use them before the game even starts or is happening.

I don’t see how that would circumvent ”unit that does not have an adaptive physiology”? But I think it’s fair for everyone to play it the way they want, as long as everyone is having fun Crusade can provide some really good times with friends imo and everyone likes to field something op once in a while

[c4790m]

I have a cracked locus in my gsc crusade.

Biomorph adaptation WLT to push it to s5 and 5A
Mark of the clawed omnissiah relic for a 3++
A battle honour that is essential shock assault for 6a
And finally another battle honour to give him +1ap

So on the charge he’s letting off 6 ws2+ s5 ap-4 2d attacks. He can and will evaporate entire 5-man marine squads in one go

[purestrain]

Oct 8, 2020 17:13:24 GMT hivefleetkerrigan said:

Oct 8, 2020 14:52:52 GMT purestrain said:

I see it that way because you don't use the stratagem then count it as having used it, you use the stratagem to gain its upgrades permanently, you also use them before the game even starts or is happening.

The adaptive physiology strategems has to be used upon list creation for 9e now. Not sure if it throws a wrench into your argument or not just something to consider.

That's not how the requisition system in crusade works.

[hivefleetkerrigan]

Oct 8, 2020 20:33:03 GMT purestrain said:

Oct 8, 2020 17:13:24 GMT hivefleetkerrigan said:

The adaptive physiology strategems has to be used upon list creation for 9e now. Not sure if it throws a wrench into your argument or not just something to consider.

That's not how the requisition system in crusade works.

I know. However your argument for this interaction depends both upon the requestion and adaptive physiology.

Which requisition do you use to purchase an adaptive physiology?

[purestrain]

Oct 8, 2020 20:56:15 GMT hivefleetkerrigan said:

Oct 8, 2020 20:33:03 GMT purestrain said:

That's not how the requisition system in crusade works.

I know. However your argument for this interaction depends both upon the requestion and adaptive physiology.

Which requisition do you use to purchase an adaptive physiology?

Specialist reinforcements. But the rule for how to use rp for your crusade is the page before iirc

[purestrain]

Oct 8, 2020 20:56:15 GMT hivefleetkerrigan said:

Oct 8, 2020 20:33:03 GMT purestrain said:

That's not how the requisition system in crusade works.

I know. However your argument for this interaction depends both upon the requestion and adaptive physiology.

Which requisition do you use to purchase an adaptive physiology?

Come to some kind of consensus on this? I don't think I'm wrong in my way of reading how it works.