Lurking Maws

[omnivore]

Since we’re more able to bring things on from reserve in 9th I have a question about The Jorm psychic power Lurking Maws. The power says “an attack” gets re-rolled. Is it only one or all attacks made by a unit? I.e. if I brought out an Exocrine for instance would it only reroll one of its shots or all?

[hivefleetkerrigan]

My interpretation is that it's any and all attacks that target the unit that was targetted by lurking maws.

[xetemara]

"you can re-roll the hit roll."

You can absolutely reroll ALL the attacks.

[kazetanade]

Aug 1, 2020 23:42:32 GMT omnivore said:

Since we’re more able to bring things on from reserve in 9th I have a question about The Jorm psychic power Lurking Maws. The power says “an attack” gets re-rolled. Is it only one or all attacks made by a unit? I.e. if I brought out an Exocrine for instance would it only reroll one of its shots or all?

If I didnt read it wrong - ALL Jorm units that came out of Deepstrike on that turn rerolls ALL shots against that ONE target. 

[omnivore]

Could be really evil now that we can freely reserve stuff for cp.

[kazetanade]

Anything worth shooting could be done before already via pod or ravener taxi. With the high level of ignore cover coming in from meta armies, Jorm was just not good, definitely not good enough to play most of your list in.

I think the same holds true - cover save is good but we're going into a highly melee contested meta, where shooting is still strong but plays a supporting role, and we can't really bring in that many things via DS to make that rr to hit a powerful ability in its own right, and definitely not more than one turn.

If you're really set on it though. Then I think Warriors are a great target for it, against something like marines or Intercessors. That's because lurking maws extends into the Fight phase as well. Assuming a 9 man drop, 6DS/3VC, you've got 18 shots rerolling to hit meaning 13-14 hitting, around 7 wounds, so 1.5 to 2 dead Intercessors. Assuming the VC gets thrown into them too and not some tank, you get 6 more shots so 4-5 more hits, wounding 3-4, 2-3 more should be dead Intercessors. And if they're not dead, you can charge them for all your attacks rerolling which will definitely kill it off (assuming you make a 9" or 8" 3D6 drop 1 charge).

If you wanted to use it on Exocrene and HG, that's also OK - Lurking Maws statistically outperforms Kronos rr1 and spell on the turn it drops, even without Onslaught from memory. Assuming that's true, you can drop HG on a semi tough unit or tank or walker and guarantee it dies likely in 1 volley, then have another volley for something else. The catch being it will outperform for that 1 turn, but HG need a few turns to really turn the game around, so...

I would have preferred if Jorm was just a flat +1 armor and ignore ap-1, would have made it truly competive IMO.

[purestrain]

I my opinion, before the flat +/-1 system, warriors were the best usage of the simbiostorm spell, as their weaponry gave you the most broad usage of it and their specialty weaponry gave them decent advantages. Stranglethorn cannons were the big winners, allowing you to get the proc on a 4+ and hit on 2+ (vs 10+) and re 1s if you were in prime range and didn't move.

I loved having a 9 man with three stc. Just sucks it all cant come together like that now

[hivefleetkaiju]

Aug 3, 2020 3:16:28 GMT kazetanade said:

I would have preferred if Jorm was just a flat +1 armor and ignore ap-1, would have made it truly competive IMO.

Let’s hope Tiamat gets this

[tallthor]

Aug 6, 2020 0:12:04 GMT hivefleetkaiju said:

Aug 3, 2020 3:16:28 GMT kazetanade said:

I would have preferred if Jorm was just a flat +1 armor and ignore ap-1, would have made it truly competive IMO.

Let’s hope Tiamat gets this

That would be mighty nice if they game Tiamat and Ourorboros their own Hive Fleet Traits, even though they are listed with color schemes in our Tyranid Book now.

[kazetanade]

I think we need 3 chapter traits per fleet like how SM gets 3 + 1 Super Doctrine(which can be anywhere between 1-3 more CTs).

Let Jorm be ALWAYS IN COVER, COVER = +2, IGNORE COVER and we're in business.

Tiamat can be Sv+1 and re failed saves of 1, in serious business.

Kronos should be SitW -2, and rr1s to shooting.

Kraken is already OK. Can you imagine just how bad the others were that you can add 2 new traits and improve the base one, and it's still on par with Kraken currently?

Behemoth wants Shock Assault + RR charges, srsly GW how does the hammer fleet not get +1A but Orks get +1A +1S rr charges at the same time???

[purestrain]

Aug 8, 2020 7:42:42 GMT kazetanade said:

I think we need 3 chapter traits per fleet like how SM gets 3 + 1 Super Doctrine(which can be anywhere between 1-3 more CTs).

Let Jorm be ALWAYS IN COVER, COVER = +2, IGNORE COVER and we're in business.

Tiamat can be Sv+1 and re failed saves of 1, in serious business.

Kronos should be SitW -2, and rr1s to shooting.

Kraken is already OK. Can you imagine just how bad the others were that you can add 2 new traits and improve the base one, and it's still on par with Kraken currently?

Behemoth wants Shock Assault + RR charges, srsly GW how does the hammer fleet not get +1A but Orks get +1A +1S rr charges at the same time???

Orks at least LOOK human.

[hivefleetkaiju]

Aug 8, 2020 7:42:42 GMT kazetanade said:

I think we need 3 chapter traits per fleet like how SM gets 3 + 1 Super Doctrine(which can be anywhere between 1-3 more CTs).

Let Jorm be ALWAYS IN COVER, COVER = +2, IGNORE COVER and we're in business.

Tiamat can be Sv+1 and re failed saves of 1, in serious business.

Kronos should be SitW -2, and rr1s to shooting.

Kraken is already OK. Can you imagine just how bad the others were that you can add 2 new traits and improve the base one, and it's still on par with Kraken currently?

Behemoth wants Shock Assault + RR charges, srsly GW how does the hammer fleet not get +1A but Orks get +1A +1S rr charges at the same time???

Gorgon can have rerolling wound rolls of 1 for both melee and shooting

How comes the symbiotic ranged weapons don’t get the toxin adaptation

For Levi, just make the FNP 5+ And use real synapse range instead e.g. 12” for normal synapse creatures and 18” for tyrants or relic buffed creatures

[hivefleetkaiju]

Sorry for wishlisting but I think nude can gain doctrine in the following way

Classify nids into lurker, hunter, and feeder types again like before 8e
And give nids phases of lurking hunting and feeding based on round passing
Corresponding types gain special buff in their phase and synapse creatures gain buff from all phases

Phase benefits:
Lurking: lurkers and synapse creatures gain dense cover
Hunting: hunters and synapse creatures gain +1to hit and reroll wound rolls of 1 in shooting
Feeding: feeders and synapse creatures gain +1s and reroll wound rolls of 1 in melee

[dranzyl]

A good explanation i once heard about the ork thing. Orks dont have (or at least didnt) tiers of infantry. The common boyz were supposed to be able to deal with, at least somewhat, with everything from hordes to monsters/vehicles. Thats why boyz were underpriced and kind of overpowered for their points.

[nod007]

Aug 8, 2020 14:40:33 GMT hivefleetkaiju said:

Aug 8, 2020 7:42:42 GMT kazetanade said:

Gorgon can have rerolling wound rolls of 1 for both melee and shooting

Gorgon only let you reroll in close combat not in shooting phase