9th testgame experiences

[N.I.B.]

RR1?

[acehilator]

Reroll 1s?

[nackanid]

Jul 11, 2020 4:51:51 GMT Jizzy Jazz said:

Jul 11, 2020 4:41:22 GMT nackanid said:

10 games in, I can totally say that first turn is a huge advantage. Have been running a gunline with exocrines, carnifexes and hive guard. You get more out of Hive Guard with the smaller boards and crucial to shoot out of line of sight. Shooty carnifexes is amazing. It seems like you really need resilience in 9th, preferably with objective secure. That’s a hard nut to crack for nids. Units over 10 is a no go… Build for the primary and try to score on the secondary! You really need to get at least 10 points primary every turn to stay in the game.

Do you mind sharing your army list for this?

Sure man! Been running different list to try out what works. But the core has always been 2 exocrines, 3 shooty carnifexes, 4-6 10-man strong termagants and 10 Hive Guards. As HQ I been trying out tyrants in foot with double MRC ( to be as cheap as possible) and really liked it. Staying at the back and giving buffs and countercharge if needed been amazing. Message me if you want more detailed lists. 

Trying out gargs to push the opponent back and a 30 unit is possible the way to go. If you go first you double-move them and gets in the opponents face. If you go second.... you do the same  

The smaller boardsize is very good for exocrines and hive guards and that should be the core of nid-lists. But triple t-fex with acid spray might be a good option if combined with warriors...? maybe, I dont know yet. Have to try it. 

To hold the midboard is crucial in 9th, primary is so important. Just praying that GW wont crush nids in the points... If that is the case, I'm back to square one... 

[Jizzy Jazz]

Jul 11, 2020 22:11:03 GMT nackanid said:

Jul 11, 2020 4:51:51 GMT Jizzy Jazz said:

Do you mind sharing your army list for this?

Sure man! Been running different list to try out what works. But the core has always been 2 exocrines, 3 shooty carnifexes, 4-6 10-man strong termagants and 10 Hive Guards. As HQ I been trying out tyrants in foot with double MRC ( to be as cheap as possible) and really liked it. Staying at the back and giving buffs and countercharge if needed been amazing. Message me if you want more detailed lists. 

Trying out gargs to push the opponent back and a 30 unit is possible the way to go. If you go first you double-move them and gets in the opponents face. If you go second.... you do the same  

The smaller boardsize is very good for exocrines and hive guards and that should be the core of nid-lists. But triple t-fex with acid spray might be a good option if combined with warriors...? maybe, I dont know yet. Have to try it. 

To hold the midboard is crucial in 9th, primary is so important. Just praying that GW wont crush nids in the points... If that is the case, I'm back to square one... 

TBH, I dont even know what to ask at this point, just waiting for 9th to drop. But good to know about midboard control, going to be a tough one.

[kazetanade]

Rephrase:

*HOLDING* the midboard is important. A lot of our control is based around taking it during our turn to score, having to hold it through the enemy's turn is a lot harder.

[kwisatzhaderach]

Indeed. The importance of holding objectives over killing the enemy has made me strongly consider that Termagants might be good as a backfield objective holder, but the real troops you want in the middle are Tyranid Warriors.

With Adaptive Physiology ignoring AP, a potential Catalyst, and Unyielding Chitin (-1 Damage vs Shooting), they're as hard to shift as Custodes, and they're a hell of a lot cheaper. They're also a great counter charge unit with Lash Whips.

[niiai]

Back in fifth edition tyranids moved like a big blob. You started on one side of the table and then moved the blob to the place where you wanted to end. (Usualy you wanted objectives where you wanted to land in the game.) 8th edition was very deadly. Hopefully 9th edition rules with cover will make things less deadly.

It is to early to say, hopefully we will be good at holding one objective at least. I am not to keep on spreading out to much except minimum units of rippers for object grabbing.

[kurtangle2]

Jul 12, 2020 16:40:15 GMT niiai said:

Back in fifth edition tyranids moved like a big blob. You started on one side of the table and then moved the blob to the place where you wanted to end. (Usualy you wanted objectives where you wanted to land in the game.) 8th edition was very deadly. Hopefully 9th edition rules with cover will make things less deadly.

It is to early to say, hopefully we will be good at holding one objective at least. I am not to keep on spreading out to much except minimum units of rippers for object grabbing.

It won't make things less deadly for sure (especially when only selected Keywords can be elected to be given a cover save, despite it being model based now)

[niiai]

Jul 12, 2020 17:04:14 GMT kurtangle2 said:

Jul 12, 2020 16:40:15 GMT niiai said:

Back in fifth edition tyranids moved like a big blob. You started on one side of the table and then moved the blob to the place where you wanted to end. (Usualy you wanted objectives where you wanted to land in the game.) 8th edition was very deadly. Hopefully 9th edition rules with cover will make things less deadly.

It is to early to say, hopefully we will be good at holding one objective at least. I am not to keep on spreading out to much except minimum units of rippers for object grabbing.

It won't make things less deadly for sure (especially when only selected Keywords can be elected to be given a cover save, despite it being model based now)

Could you clearify. I find your statement confusing.

Just using the 8th edition rules it was impossible to get coversaves. And +1 armous was not great. (5th and 6th edition had 4++ as a cover save for comparison. And you got it from being behind cover.)

Ruins in 9th will give -1 to hit if they are above 2,5" and you can noot shoot at them if it is above 5". Also, some terain gives +1 to armour save.

Units not being able to be shoot at is golden. +1 to save and/or -1 to hit is huge, and it will be active much more often. (As opposed to almost never in 8th.) How does those factors not make it less deadly?

[wound]

Jul 11, 2020 16:45:16 GMT gorsameth said:

Jul 11, 2020 16:04:42 GMT wound said:

I have been wondering are brigades a must in this edition i kinda dont like ouer fast attack opitions

I think they are an even bigger trap then before.
in 8th you had the disadvantage of having to probably use 'weaker' units to fill out the Brigade but in return you got extra CP. 

Now you have to use weaker units and... it gives you nothing really
The only reason to use a Brigade is you cannot fit your army inside a battalion.

And aside from HQ's in my GSC army I don't think I will ever not be able to fit .

Thanks for the answer I figure it would be something like that. I can see it happening in GSC as it seems I can just put basilisks and manticores in my heavies with what seems will be new broodbrother rules.

[kwisatzhaderach]

The new Brood Brothers rule, and the way they described it, was very confusing. It remains to be seen if we can actually include stuff or if it needs to be another detachment, but without the penalties we suffered in 8th.

[N.I.B.]

Jul 11, 2020 22:11:03 GMT nackanid said:

Jul 11, 2020 4:51:51 GMT Jizzy Jazz said:

Do you mind sharing your army list for this?

Sure man! Been running different list to try out what works. But the core has always been 2 exocrines, 3 shooty carnifexes, 4-6 10-man strong termagants and 10 Hive Guards. As HQ I been trying out tyrants in foot with double MRC ( to be as cheap as possible) and really liked it. Staying at the back and giving buffs and countercharge if needed been amazing. Message me if you want more detailed lists. 

Trying out gargs to push the opponent back and a 30 unit is possible the way to go. If you go first you double-move them and gets in the opponents face. If you go second.... you do the same  

The smaller boardsize is very good for exocrines and hive guards and that should be the core of nid-lists. But triple t-fex with acid spray might be a good option if combined with warriors...? maybe, I dont know yet. Have to try it. 

To hold the midboard is crucial in 9th, primary is so important. Just praying that GW wont crush nids in the points... If that is the case, I'm back to square one... 

Kronos patrols?

[gorsameth]

Jul 13, 2020 0:42:17 GMT kwisatzhaderach said:

The new Brood Brothers rule, and the way they described it, was very confusing. It remains to be seen if we can actually include stuff or if it needs to be another detachment, but without the penalties we suffered in 8th.

The rule bit in the Faction focus article is the same text as what we currently have.

The blurp above it in italic makes it sound like we can put random units from the AM codex in a detachment with GSC but the rule box does not support this.
I assume the AM units the italic section is talking about are the Brood Brother infantry squads and the Cult Sentinel/Leman Russ that are in our actual GSC codex.

So assume that you will still need a separate detachment to bring units from the AM codex.

[nackanid]

Jul 13, 2020 9:48:55 GMT N.I.B. said:

Jul 11, 2020 22:11:03 GMT nackanid said:

Sure man! Been running different list to try out what works. But the core has always been 2 exocrines, 3 shooty carnifexes, 4-6 10-man strong termagants and 10 Hive Guards. As HQ I been trying out tyrants in foot with double MRC ( to be as cheap as possible) and really liked it. Staying at the back and giving buffs and countercharge if needed been amazing. Message me if you want more detailed lists. 

Trying out gargs to push the opponent back and a 30 unit is possible the way to go. If you go first you double-move them and gets in the opponents face. If you go second.... you do the same  

The smaller boardsize is very good for exocrines and hive guards and that should be the core of nid-lists. But triple t-fex with acid spray might be a good option if combined with warriors...? maybe, I dont know yet. Have to try it. 

To hold the midboard is crucial in 9th, primary is so important. Just praying that GW wont crush nids in the points... If that is the case, I'm back to square one... 

Kronos patrols?

Sent you the list! Its kronos and a single battallion. 

[shippo62]

Just played a 1250 point (before points got leaked) against necrons, we screwed up some rules i think, took a while to play since he wasnt familiar with ITC. I ran a zoan and termy blob, he ran some new stuff as well.

Mental notes i made for myself,
-Raise the banner is (please do not swear) when your opponent only needs a couple dudes to effectively negate a turn of working.
-are ruins actually infinitely high? If so there is no reason for vertically besides hiding from melee, huge buff for melee armies
-board presence is more important than killing models.