Tyranid Prime & Warrior Tactics

[tylertt]

I know 9th is on the horizon, but I was wondering what strategies/list builds/loadouts have worked best with Warriors and/or a Prime?

Easily one of my all time favorite models. I was thinking of running a couple large groups with DS/Boneswords with a Prime floating around the middle

[kazetanade]

Prime breaks even when buffing 9 warriors, and is a netgain when buffing more than that. Hence, the best load out is 2x9 buffed by a Prime in the middle, decked out in 3xVC,6xDS,9xLWBS/BS and holding the central objectives. Stacking a Malanthrope and Maleceptor buff on top of that makes them really durable until they get into combat.

[infornography]

I like to have mostly dual boneswords with about 1/3 LW/BS. Also note that if you are taking a Prime as a cheap HQ, you don't have to feel compelled to bring max warriors to offset the cost. But if you are bringing a prime specifically to buff the warriors then it is wasted points/opportunity for a different HQ if you are not taking at least 9 warriors. VC and DS are where it is at for ranged though.

[hivefleetkerrigan]

If you run a unit of 9 warriors with a prime, you can get good use out of Kronos spell of symbiostorm: you'll get additional hits on a 5+ instead of a 6+. In 8e, this is really good with a barbed strangler for killing hordes (4+ gets an additional hit).

If you run a squad or two of 9 warriors, you can make the most use of adaptions to increase your warriors durability (either ignore AP-1/-2 or +2 cover save). There's also the possibility for doing the heroic intervention adaptation of you're facing an aggressive enemy: you can heroically intervene with lashwhip + bonesword to lock them down from crashing your lines too badly.

Another alternative is doing many small squads of warriors all buffed by a prime. If you go this route, you could try a custom fleet. I've run regen 1 wound and reroll a hit roll if you're in synapse range.

I think I've seen people using warriors as a mid table anchor as well. I'm not sure if they ran them as jormungandr for the additional durability or not.

[nackanid]

Jul 7, 2020 1:12:39 GMT tylertt said:

I know 9th is on the horizon, but I was wondering what strategies/list builds/loadouts have worked best with Warriors and/or a Prime?

Easily one of my all time favorite models. I was thinking of running a couple large groups with DS/Boneswords with a Prime floating around the middle

So far in 9th(played 10 games so far), warriors comes with to much of a tax to work. We don’t know the point cost in 9th yet but with only 12CP to start, its a lot of CP sinked in/planned for them. Even with all the buffs they are fairly easy to remove. Don’t get me wrong, I really love warriors! Bit unfortunately, having a hard time to get them to work.

Been trying out Shrikes... they do work... can’t believe I’m writing this. They are there just to moveblock and be annoying. Carnifexes, shooty, is amazing also

[xj85]

In 8th edition I have been using warriors a lot. 2x 9 warriors with bs, 6x ds and 3x vc with enhanced resistance buff and a prime. I also ran them with the leviathan fleet for the 6+++ to mitigate the damage 3 damage a lot both shooting and in combat. They did a lot of work both in combat and shooting.

Curious to see if this will also still be viable with the blast weapons in 9th edition and of course depending on point costs.

[tylertt]

Thanks everyone. I currently only own 6 Warriors and was debating on getting some more in the near future.

Definitely got lots of inspiration on the load outs to test out now.

[kazetanade]

They can have play so do experiment. I just wish we could get 3+ armor on them base, and I'd be pretty much satisfied with them from then on.

[gigasnail]

that would be amazing.

not happening though, cuz reasons.

[afewveiws]

Before blood of baal and some times since, i was running a jorm detatchment that had a prime as warlord with the ignore cover trait, 6 raveners w/DS, 6 w/ with DS/BS, and a batch of 15 devgants as a single drop to wipe out anything hiding in second story ruins and any other large groupings of troops. Its alot of fun to see someones face when you drop 28 models w/54 wounds and 84 shots into thier back field the same turn your kraken fleet hits their frontline.

[Jizzy Jazz]

Jul 12, 2020 2:32:26 GMT afewveiws said:

Before blood of baal and some times since, i was running a jorm detatchment that had a prime as warlord with the ignore cover trait, 6 raveners w/DS, 6 w/ with DS/BS, and a batch of 15 devgants as a single drop to wipe out anything hiding in second story ruins and any other large groupings of troops. Its alot of fun to see someones face when you drop 28 models w/54 wounds and 84 shots into thier back field the same turn your kraken fleet hits their frontline.

Do to what I have available, could this work with Prime, Warriors and a Trygon?

[Iryan]

Due to their... "intrmediate" defensive profile, warriors are susceptible to both anti-tank and anti-infantry fire. Therefore I found it useful to run them in a Jorm list with lots of monsters and very little light infantry. The permanent cover makes them a lot more resilient to anti-infantry fire, and the anti-tank weaponry will be pointed elsewhere at all times anyways. The monsters benefitting from the cover as well, giving them a reasonable save against most anti-tank weapons, is of course also a plus.

Jul 12, 2020 4:40:49 GMT Jizzy Jazz said:

Jul 12, 2020 2:32:26 GMT afewveiws said:

Before blood of baal and some times since, i was running a jorm detatchment that had a prime as warlord with the ignore cover trait, 6 raveners w/DS, 6 w/ with DS/BS, and a batch of 15 devgants as a single drop to wipe out anything hiding in second story ruins and any other large groupings of troops. Its alot of fun to see someones face when you drop 28 models w/54 wounds and 84 shots into thier back field the same turn your kraken fleet hits their frontline.

Do to what I have available, could this work with Prime, Warriors and a Trygon?

The benefit of using shooty raveners is not only that the raveners themselves are shooty (which the Trygon isn't), but that a large unit of raveners has a very adjustable footprint. This is especially important because it gives you a lot more flexibility with where to deep strike, and where to deploy the cargo. If you use a trygon, *and* you want the trygon to do anything besides being a drop pod, that means the trygon wants to deploy just outside of 9'' of a suitable charge target, *and* you can only use the half-circle area behind the trygon for the deployment of your cargo, since the cargo has to also be outside of 9'' of the enemy and fully within 3'' of the tunnel digger. If you know how tricky it can be to get a good deepstrike position for your trygon, imagine if the base was a 1.5'' larger all around.

[beetlejuice]

Cheap screens will likely see less play because of blast and coherency though so it might be easier. Somewhat mitigated by reduced board size though.

[xj85]

Jul 12, 2020 7:40:44 GMT Iryan said:

Due to their... "intrmediate" defensive profile, warriors are susceptible to both anti-tank and anti-infantry fire. Therefore I found it useful to run them in a Jorm list with lots of monsters and very little light infantry. The permanent cover makes them a lot more resilient to anti-infantry fire, and the anti-tank weaponry will be pointed elsewhere at all times anyways. The monsters benefitting from the cover as well, giving them a reasonable save against most anti-tank weapons, is of course also a plus.

Jul 12, 2020 4:40:49 GMT Jizzy Jazz said:

Do to what I have available, could this work with Prime, Warriors and a Trygon?

The benefit of using shooty raveners is not only that the raveners themselves are shooty (which the Trygon isn't), but that a large unit of raveners has a very adjustable footprint. This is especially important because it gives you a lot more flexibility with where to deep strike, and where to deploy the cargo. If you use a trygon, *and* you want the trygon to do anything besides being a drop pod, that means the trygon wants to deploy just outside of 9'' of a suitable charge target, *and* you can only use the half-circle area behind the trygon for the deployment of your cargo, since the cargo has to also be outside of 9'' of the enemy and fully within 3'' of the tunnel digger. If you know how tricky it can be to get a good deepstrike position for your trygon, imagine if the base was a 1.5'' larger all around.

I find Leviathan to better for Warriors in combination with enhanced resistance. Damage 3 weapons and close combat (Thunder hammers), will kill them very fast with Jormungandr. With the 6+++ , you have a 50% chance of requiring two thunder hammer hits to kill a warrior. This trait is also good for all monsters

[nackanid]

Jul 12, 2020 8:46:07 GMT beetlejuice said:

Cheap screens will likely see less play because of blast and coherency though so it might be easier. Somewhat mitigated by reduced board size though.

Screens are truly powerful now though because of the new charge-rules and new strategems. Don't think chep screens is dead.