Rampant speculation on a possible improvement of Lictors.

[dranzyl]

What i think he is saying is.. even if they auto exploded at the start of his turn they would have done their job because they scored the objective.

Exaggerate for comedic purposes.

[sneggy]

May 28, 2020 17:19:20 GMT dranzyl said:

What i think he is saying is.. even if they auto exploded at the start of his turn they would have done their job because they scored the objective.

Exaggerate for comedic purposes.

Pretty much this. I spend 68pts for 2-8 secondary points in ITC. If you get really lucky they might steal you a bonus or actually kill something as well. Not really their point though

[swarm492]

Ahh. I dont play ITC, or in any tournaments for that matter. Just beer and pretzels as far as the eye can see.

That said it leaves me looking at the victor wondering what the hell I can do with them.

[kazetanade]

sneggy I usually use Rippers for those though, isnt it about the same points?

Also, can you even double them up in ITC now? I thought you could only score one at a time.

[killercroc]

May 29, 2020 12:10:11 GMT kazetanade said:

sneggy I usually use Rippers for those though, isnt it about the same points?

Also, can you even double them up in ITC now? I thought you could only score one at a time.

I think they're almost the same cost... Lictors are 34 vs Rippers 33. But with one base over 3 they're easier to hide and fit into deployment gaps. Rippers are smaller but you can't always hide them so I think the minus to hit plus extra T and SV makes the Lictor harder to kill in some situations but not every.

As for scoring I don't think you can double up on the same turn but the same unit can score points for different objectives on different turns, but I may be wrong there.

[princeyg]

At least somebody has shown me Lictors can be useful at least (though I dont play tournaments, ETC or ITC, I have used them for roughly the same thing in maelstrom card matches by jumping on objectives)

Opponents often target my rippers but completely ignore my Lictors (this is why I`m really hoping my thoughts about the new reserve rules are right as I`m going to be able to drop some nasty surprises on my regular opponents).

[sneggy]

May 29, 2020 12:10:11 GMT kazetanade said:

sneggy I usually use Rippers for those though, isnt it about the same points?

Also, can you even double them up in ITC now? I thought you could only score one at a time.

You can double score recon by having 2 in each quarter and double up behind enemy lines by having 3 instead of 1 in enemy deployment zones.

Rippers are the same points and do a similar job, they are slightly easier to block out, offer no threat and have a bigger footprint so are harder to hide (mine are anyway, I use the fancy forgeworld ones so mine are tall.) They are of course ObSec so its a trade off.

In my case it filled out a detachment for much cheaper than putting rippers in (finding an extra hq and another 31pts for the third ripper unit to make a battalion) I already had a kronos hive guard unit and neurothrope. The two lictors let me grab a vanguard for the CP and have two units for secondary control. 

I'm not advocating lictors as an everybody should take them unit, they just fit in very nicely for what I wanted and can perform a role in some lists. Which is a dramatic improvement from the "oh god why" status they previously had. 

[guy]

Lictors/deathleaper should have a built in anti-overwatch ability, a 4+ invuln, and deal mortal wounds. Can't see them competitive otherwise.

[purestrain]

May 30, 2020 13:48:08 GMT guy said:

Lictors/deathleaper should have a built in anti-overwatch ability, a 4+ invuln, and deal mortal wounds. Can't see them competitive otherwise.

Thats probably what this new judicar guys all about, just watch.

4++
Cant be overwatched by characters
MWS vs characters lol

[guy]

May 30, 2020 13:51:54 GMT purestrain said:

May 30, 2020 13:48:08 GMT guy said:

Lictors/deathleaper should have a built in anti-overwatch ability, a 4+ invuln, and deal mortal wounds. Can't see them competitive otherwise.

Thats probably what this new judicar guys all about, just watch.

4++
Cant be overwatched by characters
MWS vs characters lol

It would make no sense that a character cant overwatch a unit, but a simple peon could...  shrug

[purestrain]

May 30, 2020 14:00:01 GMT guy said:

May 30, 2020 13:51:54 GMT purestrain said:

Thats probably what this new judicar guys all about, just watch.

4++
Cant be overwatched by characters
MWS vs characters lol

It would make no sense that a character cant overwatch a unit, but a simple peon could...  shrug

Yeah, and being able to rush straight through a wall so no one can shoot at you makes sense when your a malnourished 110 pound human lol.

[sniddy]

at 45 points...and the strat...1 can be a kinda useful suprise drop in an area - and can get in places people don't expect as it's one base....

Good, not really, competative, LOL, it's tyranid, Kinda useful/fun and an interesting use for 45 points...sometimes, it just does...naff all once it gets there too

[sneggy]

May 31, 2020 14:53:42 GMT sniddy said:

at 45 points...and the strat...1 can be a kinda useful suprise drop in an area - and can get in places people don't expect as it's one base....

Good, not really, competative, LOL, it's tyranid, Kinda useful/fun and an interesting use for 45 points...sometimes, it just does...naff all once it gets there too

You'll be especially happy once you find out lictors got a pts drop in chapter approved and are 34pts now.

[sniddy]

May 31, 2020 15:18:29 GMT sneggy said:

May 31, 2020 14:53:42 GMT sniddy said:

at 45 points...and the strat...1 can be a kinda useful suprise drop in an area - and can get in places people don't expect as it's one base....

Good, not really, competative, LOL, it's tyranid, Kinda useful/fun and an interesting use for 45 points...sometimes, it just does...naff all once it gets there too

You'll be especially happy once you find out lictors got a pts drop in chapter approved and are 34pts now.

Good point, they're fairly poor - don't do what the fluff says, but their not expensive

Just I get get 10  basic termies for not a lot more or a ripper squad - better board presense - more likely to grab objectives - and the rippers can burrow too, just take a bit more space, that strat, makes a lictor a consideration but I want it to be a solo hunter, something that can threaten more...and pop up closer, and it shouldn't be you need to spend 1CP to make something 'ok ish'

Bah lets see how it pans out. 9th could be a suprise, not a kick in the nads

[brianb9999]

May 29, 2020 22:37:17 GMT sneggy said:

In my case it filled out a detachment for much cheaper than putting rippers in (finding an extra hq and another 31pts for the third ripper unit to make a battalion) I already had a kronos hive guard unit and neurothrope. The two lictors let me grab a vanguard for the CP and have two units for secondary control. 

Just curious Sneggy, what else are you running besides the vanguard? I had come up with a list using double Kraken battalion with a bunch of stealers and rippers with a Kronos vanguard. I kind of want to try it out:

thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/58023/null-deployment-8th-edition-style