Phelddagrif
Genestealer
Genestealer point change, nice
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Post by Phelddagrif on May 27, 2020 14:56:49 GMT
Well.. I am a new tyranid, and warhammer40k player, and i wanted to get a starting army i guess, I currently have: Start collecting box, a Tyrranofex box, 2 Termagant boxes and a Hive tyrant box, and also an untapped ammount of genestealers cose there is like 100 assembled painted for sale at my LGS, what is the best way to make an army out of it? I mean the hive fleet, detachment and stuff, and most importantly the units, what weaponry, stratagems, the adaptive physiology thing and stuff. Also what would be the best way to expand it later (when i get the funds to do so), I was thinking of buying carnifex brood/hormagants to get some tanky melee bugs so.. yeah.. advice plz
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Post by acehilator on May 27, 2020 19:18:01 GMT
With 9E coming up SOON (TM), now is a bad time to start lol. Any advice given will be invalid by the time you finished building and painting the models  Gotta wait two months for a serious breakdown of the new terrain, melee and detachment/CP rules to make semi-informed choices. With being new to the hobby, start with something small. Build and paint 10 Termagants with Fleshborers. Or scrounge up all the Rippers you have and do those. |
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Post by NidNoms on May 28, 2020 3:56:30 GMT
With 9E coming up SOON (TM), now is a bad time to start lol. Any advice given will be invalid by the time you finished building and painting the models Gotta wait two months for a serious breakdown of the new terrain, melee and detachment/CP rules to make semi-informed choices. With being new to the hobby, start with something small. Build and paint 10 Termagants with Fleshborers. Or scrounge up all the Rippers you have and do those. True that 9th ed is around the corner, as for other models to get, Tervigon, and guants. The 1st rule of Tyranid armies is you can never have enough gaunts  |
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Post by No One on May 28, 2020 4:13:16 GMT
Don't get a terv: that's not good at the moment, and 9th is maybe, but maybe not, going to change that. Get gaunts though, those are good.
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Post by yoritomo on May 28, 2020 4:16:15 GMT
With a new edition coming out soon it is important to focus on the "evergreen" tyranid units. Those are usually the hive tyrant, and termagaunts. I'd throw genestealers, carnifex and hive guard into the list of evergreen tyranids, but some people will debate that.
Also, since GW has stated that 9th edition will be backwards compatible with 8th edition it wouldn't be a terrible idea to pick up the tyranid codex and Blood of Baal expansion. If you aren't using an up to date list building app then you'll also need the latest copy of Chapter Approved for the current point costs for our units. Though it would be easier and cheaper to just get an app like Battlescribe.
As far as games go, start out small. If you don't have the models to play at a certain number of points then don't try to play that game. One of the golden rules of tyranids is that you never pimp out tyranids in order to have enough points to play a game. Tyranids win by being point efficient. Putting extra or excessive upgrades on one unit means you probably won't have enough bodies to last until the end of the game.
It's also worth looking into how to magnetize your big bugs. As editions change what weapons your units can take (and what weapons are good) also change. Most people don't care what the smaller bugs are armed with, but some people care about the big bugs. To avoid buying additional models or pulling arms off your painted big bugs, it is worth taking a second to look into how to magnetize your units. Just type in "magnetizing modesl" into Google or YouTube and you should find a tutorial. It isn't for everyone, but it's good to look into before you start assembling your army.
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Post by beetlejuice on May 28, 2020 10:00:52 GMT
I hate GW codices since they are partly obsolete 2 weeks after release when the FAQ drops. Nice for fluff and artwork though. Battlescribe is sufficient for list building. Hopefully GW just buys battlescribe and loads it up with GW logos etc, or at least use it as a template for their 9th ed app.
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Post by kazetanade on May 30, 2020 11:58:07 GMT
Here are some generally good places to start with:
- 2 max units of any Troop choice (other than Rippers, which should be 2 min units)
- Two Flyrant Magnetised for all options
- 1 Carnifex kit for all options (including Old One Eye)
- 1 Broodlord
- 1 min unit of Venomthropes/Malanthrope
ALL OF THESE should see playability in 8th and 9th and are generally safe picks since their utility never changes - they've been there since 6th Ed at least, although GS had some issues in 6th 7th due to lack of flesh hooks(but would have been pretty good otherwise).
If you already have it and want to expand, then some units that will *likely* be usable are:
- Hive Guard
- Exocrene
- Trygon/Mawlocs
But take note these are guesses.
For small games, having 1 BL and 40 Genestealers is more than enough as the backbone of a sub 1k pts list. You don't need much more.
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Post by afewveiws on May 30, 2020 15:58:55 GMT
Well.. I am a new tyranid, and warhammer40k player, and i wanted to get a starting army i guess, I currently have: Start collecting box, a Tyrranofex box, 2 Termagant boxes and a Hive tyrant box, and also an untapped ammount of genestealers cose there is like 100 assembled painted for sale at my LGS, what is the best way to make an army out of it? I mean the hive fleet, detachment and stuff, and most importantly the units, what weaponry, stratagems, the adaptive physiology thing and stuff. Also what would be the best way to expand it later (when i get the funds to do so), I was thinking of buying carnifex brood/hormagants to get some tanky melee bugs so.. yeah.. advice plz So as of right now you have access to: 1 tyrant 1 tyranofex A unit of termagants A trygon/prime And an amount of genestelers Provided I read this right, that means your tyrant should just be built into a swarmlord. The edition wont change the fact that stealers and swarmlord go together. Beyond that would be speculation. I could see building the gants to be either a meat sheild for the Tfex or kitting them out with devourers to deepstrike in with the trygon. The Tfex could go long range buster gun or marching flamer. There might even be room to suggest the fleshborer hive... idk. Safest to magnatize this beast. You refrenced some future wants being carnifexes and hormagaunts. These are good purchases in my oppinion. Fexes are very versatile and will want to be magnatized to some degree. Where as the hormagaunts are better fodder for assault based lists then tgants are. This will push your list toward a forward assault army which is what i play so i am biased. They have claimed that melee units are going to get some kind of buff in this comming edition so ... idk. Carnifexes are good for gunline/fire support also so i cant see how these could ever be a bad purchase. But again i must stress magnets being very important for your monsters. |
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Post by NidNoms on May 30, 2020 23:07:03 GMT
Well.. I am a new tyranid, and warhammer40k player, and i wanted to get a starting army i guess, I currently have: Start collecting box, a Tyrranofex box, 2 Termagant boxes and a Hive tyrant box, and also an untapped ammount of genestealers cose there is like 100 assembled painted for sale at my LGS, what is the best way to make an army out of it? I mean the hive fleet, detachment and stuff, and most importantly the units, what weaponry, stratagems, the adaptive physiology thing and stuff. Also what would be the best way to expand it later (when i get the funds to do so), I was thinking of buying carnifex brood/hormagants to get some tanky melee bugs so.. yeah.. advice plz So as of right now you have access to: 1 tyrant 1 tyranofex A unit of termagants A trygon/prime And an amount of genestelers Provided I read this right, that means your tyrant should just be built into a swarmlord. The edition wont change the fact that stealers and swarmlord go together. Beyond that would be speculation. I could see building the gants to be either a meat sheild for the Tfex or kitting them out with devourers to deepstrike in with the trygon. The Tfex could go long range buster gun or marching flamer. There might even be room to suggest the fleshborer hive... idk. Safest to magnatize this beast. You refrenced some future wants being carnifexes and hormagaunts. These are good purchases in my oppinion. Fexes are very versatile and will want to be magnatized to some degree. Where as the hormagaunts are better fodder for assault based lists then tgants are. This will push your list toward a forward assault army which is what i play so i am biased. They have claimed that melee units are going to get some kind of buff in this comming edition so ... idk. Carnifexes are good for gunline/fire support also so i cant see how these could ever be a bad purchase. But again i must stress magnets being very important for your monsters. why have i not been using Swarmlord and Genestealers together?! maybe cause its been a while since i ran Swarmlord. |
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Post by kazetanade on Jun 2, 2020 7:01:21 GMT
Considering SL GS combo had been there since begining of edition... Only you can answer that lol.
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Post by NidNoms on Jun 3, 2020 0:06:33 GMT
Considering SL GS combo had been there since begining of edition... Only you can answer that lol. all can still learn new tactics for there games |
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Post by hiveman75 on Jun 17, 2020 10:33:13 GMT
Don't get a terv: that's not good at the moment, and 9th is maybe, but maybe not, going to change that. Get gaunts though, those are good. I thought our most recent high level tourney results had tervs in them |
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Phelddagrif
Genestealer
Genestealer point change, nice
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Post by Phelddagrif on Jun 22, 2020 16:02:11 GMT
Soo... 9th edition changes are partially released so i'm back with the question, what is the best thing to buy to make this into a army? I was thinking about Carnifexes/Hive guard, since this "army" currently lacks any shooting (termagants are meant to be a 30 devourers unit to tunnel with trygon prime), and warriors/termagants seems to be a bad option because of new Blast things, at the same time there is a buff to Tanks which also makes me pick Big bugs over Small bugs, but its just my opinion and i didnt ever play this game, acctually i was also worried that just 3 Synapse units is too little, is that really a problem? Main question is still , what is the best thing to buy, or should i even buy anything, is this maybe already good? Just Swarmlord with Stealers and Broodlord charing while Trygon tunnels with Termagants, with Tyrannofex staying in the back to shoot any tanks and rippers to .. idk just fill the troop slot? are they useful for anything? Or maybe Tyrannofex should be a flamer? (oh yeah cose my "have" list changed it is now 3 Termagant boxes 1 Start collecting box 1 Swarmlord/Tyrant box 1 Stealer box and 1 Tyrannofex box, and i will probably buy aditional 4 stealers to fill up the unit of 16 to make it 20)
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Post by beetlejuice on Jun 22, 2020 19:09:26 GMT
It will all depend on updated points costs. Current bread and butter units might get nerfed to uselessness while current trash units become auto includes. It’s impossible to give advice atm. Buying cool looking units is always a good idea. The meta will change in the future.
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Post by valynna on Jun 22, 2020 20:39:52 GMT
Some people are saying get evergreen units, and some are saying to just wait...
I don't think you'd be wrong to make informed choices about what we already know.
Carnifex and Tyrannofex are going to be good. It's nidzilla again...
2 boxes of Carnifex will get you an Old One Eye + 3 Carnifex to go along with 'em. That's good now, and it's going to stay good. Carnifex are only going to get better in 9e, and they're already very good... Just magnetize them.
Tyrannofex will probably use acid spitters, but again - magnetize!
Other than that... ripper swarms, gants, and gaunts are normally pretty good - but warriors are too! It's not obvious how that'll work out, and which combination of what will be useful.
On a side note... Zoats might be fun, and will probably be pretty good (although reasonably pricy). They even fit the tyranid fluff pretty well, and given that the game is likely shifting into "heavy-side", it's probably going to be pretty dang good.
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